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I'm guessing the other side says, "My public employee dad got bussed out to a government rally and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt..."
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Chavistology
It sounds better.
That picture would fit perfectly in Failblog.org
Misión Ribas vendor
That Misión was the one supposed to enable Venezuelan dropouts to gain the skills needed for university.
It is so sad.
The opposition should use this.
Give people dignified qualifications, either as skilled workers or as people who can really get into university to do something meaningful.
Venezuelans are not for being street vendors
selling Chinese toys or US underwear or Turkish t-shirts with Chavez images printed on them.
The Economy needs to be righted
Because right now even a professional has a hard time maintaining a decent standard of living (What I consider a decent standard of living, but that story was told in Quico's old post about the middle class elites).
There was a time when being a carpenter, electrician, plumber, leather-maker, etc. (I presume these are what Kepler means by skilled worker, not professional but with useful skills at a lower level) earned you a decent living. Today I don't think that's quite possible. Many get by, but would hardly be in a position to get enough credit to buy a nice house, or simply own their own property some day.
I mean them all, specially those you meant, but also higher
Developed nations would not have become developed without them: the skilled carpenter, the skilled mechanic, etc. A nation is not built exclusively or even primarily by engineers and top researchers...the German Facharbeiter.
Instead, we are fooling ourselves with sending millions to university, diluting the quality of education there and not even caring for the most basic public education.
It is clear this oil boom has promoted more vending beggars. Now, whatever happens next, we can head towards development if we drive people towards improving their skills at the same time as we
tell them what environment and sacrifices are needed, not promising heaven right away as cojon-less politicians have done since we got independence.
Bizarre on many levels
Did you notice that it's a kid-size shirt, too? And small kids, probably no more than 3-4 years old. Isn't it supposed to be a crime to expose kids to violence?
"Chavez respects rifles and shotguns" - am I translating that right? If so, it makes no sense to me. We could only know the truth if he had ever actually faced one down, and we all know he hasn't.
Still, I wonder if that's the chant we hear at the next Tribunal Supremo inauguration.
AIO
"Chavez respects rifles and shotguns"
No, it means, "rifle, shotgun, respect Chavez!" The rifle and the shotgun are there just for the rhyme and their intimidation values.
Fusil, escopeta...
Fusil, escopeta, dale a Chavez en la jeta!
(Quico forgot to translate the t-shirt for the benefit of the non-spanish-speaking members of the audience. Let's just say that "fusil" means rifle and "escopeta" means shotgun.)
Some money for the opposition
Anybody interested to make some money for the opposition? I would buy a sizeable quantity of these T's and specially the "wifebeaters" and sell them on ebay - profits to an opposition candidate of the site owners' pick. They will sell like hotcakes on ebay or via link on a leftist site here!
These things will be worth megamoney, like presently Rock Star T's of the 60ies, in 10 - 20 years (well, maybe not "mega", but at least keeping up with inflation).
As a "SAMPLE" / starter order, I will put up $ 300. I estimate that the selling price here would have to be in the $ 15 - 20 range, so I would have to buy them for less than $ 10 C+F Miami to make some meaningful money.
Any takers? Aren't you all about doing SOMETHING? The site owners have my email.
Add DONDE ESTAN LOS REALES?
to the collection.
Any other suggestions?
Hey, bumper stickers would be cool too. $5.99 each.
Today Chavismo celebrated 18
Today Chavismo celebrated 18 years since Mico Mandante's first publicized failure, in front of a small crowd of bussed-in "supporters" (under threat and\or paid), while in another part of Caracas students, with hands held high, were denied their right to protest the direction of this Rrregime..
El Universal: "Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez challenged on Thursday the opposition student movement and warned them that he is prepared to fight anywhere for his "Bolivarian revolution." He challenged students to keep on trying ousting his government."
He was fully medicated and on a roll for his cadena.. he's scared.
Lazarus
Lie down, Lazarus!
Nothing Chávez did do, or might do, or could do will ever excuse the disgusting racial slur you've debased yourself by using against him.
You're. Not. Helping.
Say what, kemosabe?
Did you know that the name of the Lone Ranger's companion in the old TV show was "Tonto", but in the latinamerican version of the show it was changed to "Toro" for obvious reasons?
Tonto=Toro. There's some timeless truth there.
Nothing Chávez did do, or might do, or could do will ever excuse the disgusting racial slur you've debased yourself by using against him.
What racial slur, kemosabe? Did Lazarus insult monkeys by comparing them with Chavez? Was it a racial slur when Chavez called Micheletti "Goriletti" as well? In any case, the whole "Mico Mandante" is nothing but a clever play on words of "Mi Comandante". Nothing racial there. That's the term THEY use. Lazarus just moved the space a couple of places to the right to improve the accuracy of the statement.
And do you think that Weil's cartoons (which represent Chavez with a military boot for a head) are racial slurs too?
I guess Quico wants the
I guess Quico wants the comments to stay away from the name calling.. but yeah, I did find it funny that Quico considers the term "Micomandante" a racial slur...
I think hes been outside of Venezuela for way too long...
On his defense, Im happy he does not use such nicknames on the main posts...
It all depends
This blog is in English. I would venture to say 70% of his readers or more are non-Venezuelan, even if they tend to be the lurker and it would be difficult for them to spot when this is meant like this or that. In fact, I would say it is the same for us.
On one side terms related to apes are used towards many people without racial connotation. I have read the term gorilla used many times regarding Lukashenko and he is not precisely black.
We in Venezuela also have the term "mono tití" to refer to blond people who look like...well, like the blond apes in Venezuela's jungles.
Still, let's be honest: insults comparing people to apes are by far more directed to black people.
In Venezuela there may be less racism than in other countries, if only because most of us are so incredibly mixed (historically it started for other reasons than "cosmopolitism"). Still: there is a lot of racism from every side and many people pretend that not to be the case.
I have seen a lot of racist terms used against both chavistas and antichavistas.
And then there is this: I was in a harbour in Venezuela with a friend in his yacht. Another guy with his yacht approached us and we talked a bit. The guy on the other boat told us he did not want to go to cay X because it was full of "monos". My girlfriend, European, was there and interpreted that as very racist. I was about to ask the guy what he meant when he went away and discussed it with my friend. He agreed the term was racist-elitist and added: "pero la vaina, chamo, is that that man would have been puzzled if you had asked him what he meant by mono, he does not even realize it, it is so ingrained"
And I am sure someone will tell me they just meant the term monkey as in "people making lots of noise, whether they are blond or brunette or black". Yeah, sure. In reality it is a fuzzy colonial concept they have entre oreja y oreja.
I am sure people sometimes use the term as they use it in Belarus to refer to their leader (in private), without any racial undertone. But only sometimes.
So, I would be careful about that term in this context. I am sure some of you will find certain terms to be avoid when talking about Jews, Norwegians, Nepalese or whatever group you may feel like supporting/defending, or maybe all.
Usually Kepler, you're a pretty decent guy
pero te equivocaste on this one.
Anyone who has spent 2 days or more in Venezuela knows that for decades many of those who had more material wealth referred to those with less as "monos". It isn't a "cute" term like, "vaya mi negro!" etc.
If there ever was a term that demonstrated that there is some undertones of racism in our country, this is one.
There are plenty of perjorative terms that can be used to describe Mr. Chavez that do not fall into racism.
Do you think, that perhaps, the usage of terms like "mono", "niche", "merienda de negros" etc. did not play a role in reaffirming the divide that was one of the reasons Mr. Chavez' "project" gained traction and became able to be imposed upon us?
It is high time those who use those terms reflect upon what they are saying, and why.
I have no problem with someone who calls Mr. Chavez 'ese hijo de puta barata" or " ese rolo 'e mamaguevo". Let's not bring race into the discussion too, it's a nonstarter.
Perhaps I expressed it very badly
I am not saying at all "mono" alon is cute. I agree with you on all.
The rich guy in the yacht who called the others "monos" was a bloody racist and elitist. Anyway, as my friend later told me when I was discussing the issue: the guy would not have even understood me, as it was so ingrained. The fact that it is ingrained does not mean it is better. It is simply that people don't realise how racist they are. That is a problem Venezuelans have.
There are some cases in which a term like negro can be purely descriptive (but never mono).
There are thousands of songs talking about "no me dejes, mi negra".
I used to call my sister "negra" or "china". That is because she is darker and has slanted eyes. She used to call me "catire" just because I got the paler skin and as child had light brown hair.
In this sense I don't think we were acting in a racist tone.
There are cases in which the term gorilla may be used in a non-racial tone, but, and this was my point, it is only in cases where there is little problem of interpretation, like in the Lukashenko case (google for gorilla and Lukashenko).
So: even if gorilla may be used in cases where there is no racist tone, it is at best ambiguous and, in the case of Venezuela, almost always going to be meant in a racist tone (although people are not aware of that as some here have shown)
I hope now I am clearer.
and I was
perhaps too willing to admit a more frequent use of the non-racist connotation, but it is true: it is almost always meant in a racist manner in Venezuela.
As for the terms "niches", "sin clase", etc: I also agree, this has contributed in a huge way to allianate a great amount of people.
My brother and sisters studied in public schools all the time.
I studied in a public school as well but for the last 2 years of bachillerato. I never heard as many times the use of those words
than there: all the time "eso lo usan los niches", "esos son unos ....". The words were not targeted at me, but they would make me angry all the same.
I suppose many of those using those word would say now "era echando vaina".
Pathetic and wrong
Cleverness in punning is not a "get out of jail free" card.
Comparing dark skinned people to monkeys is racist and disgusting.
Always has been. Always will be. There's no way around it.
It's vile and stupid as well. With 993,958,384 LEGITIMATE reasons to criticize the government resorting to this sort of thing only debases us. There's simply no room for it.
Political correctness is a clear sign of mental retardation
Toro (aka Tonto) said: Comparing dark skinned people to monkeys is racist and disgusting
So if you say anything that might be considered as even the least bit offensive to a person with a dark skin, you're obviously a racist?
If you make photoshops of Bush that make him look like a chimpanzee, that's perfectly OK, after all, he's white. If you call Micheletti "Gorilleti", it's OK too. After all, he has an Italian name, so he's obviously white too and nothing you can say about white people could possibly qualify as a racial slur. Not even "cracker" or "white trash" or "evil blue-eyed devil".
So, tell me, Quico-kun, is Weil's portrayal of Chavez with a military boot for a head racist or not?
It's vile and stupid as well. With 993,958,384 LEGITIMATE reasons to criticize the government resorting to this sort of thing only debases us. There's simply no room for it.
Watch out when you dismount that hideously high horse you're riding there, buddy. Using "reason" and "logic" and "reasonable arguments" is very nice and everything, but when you're dealing with a rabid dog, niceties will only get you bitten faster.
You know what I just realized? You really are not at all like Osvaldo.
Firepigette
Why do you keep coming to these blogs then? Do go to cake your cookies, watch your soccer game, play your billard, knit socks, whatever.
A racist term is a racist term.
Thanks God only a tiny minority of 60+ white people in Southern USA or Belarus, Northern USA, Venezuela or Belgium have your attitude.
I come because most folks don't do what you just did.
Kepler,
I come to these blogs because most folks don't do what you just did.
By reacting with these nonsensical rants and by indulging in name calling, you expose yourself over and over again quite nicely.
By the way you do NOT know Belarus.It is quite a bit more racist than the US.But the point I am making is not to compare countries it is about seeing things more clearly.
firepigette
I do
but anyway: it is not about Belarus, about the US, Venezuela or else. It is your racist attitude that comes over and over.
Famous quote:
"I never felt racism in Venezuela even though I am blond" Firepigette
reverse racism
This is slander Kepler.
Anyone who actually speaks English knows that I was referring to " reverse racism".In Venezuela there are those who are racist against whites,and when I first went there they made some denigrating remarks about my light skin, but soon enough I felt that despite that, people were not so racist against whites.Maybe a bit but not enough for me to throw a hissy fit.
Before you make such a slanderous statement, I would advise you to have proof.
My life is a testimony to the fact that I may be many things, but a racist ain't one of them.
But one thing I would like to throw up for consideration"
Is sending me to bake cookies a sexist remark?
who calls who what????????
Someone said:
"There are plenty of pejorative terms that can be used to describe Mr. Chavez that do not fall into racism."
Like Excessive potty talk in 2 year olds?
Why use pejorative terms instead of describing negative actions?
The problem I see with some on these blogs is a tendency to name calling.It is a whole different ball game to describe negative behavior:
ie "You are relying too much on ad hominem attacks"( stresses the action)
and name calling ( however disguised):
"You are such a silly person.'( attacks the being)
The first stresses the action and the latter stresses the being.Stressing the action and not the being is far more acceptable in civil discourse.
One factor of racism is the offense that people take to it. Certain commonly used terms and situations have “racist” connotations attached to them. Does that mean that every time a racist term is said, it is being used in hate towards another race?
I doubt it.
Anyway we’re much more likely to find sexism amongst bloggers than racism.I have been called a whore on one 'Venezuelan' blog, by someone who continually uses the race card( without evidence) against others.Then another guy when I disagree with him strongly tells me to go 'bake cookies'. Look at the history of the US — black men won the right to vote before white women.
So Go figure
Then there are ways of denigrating others and playing power games that are just as repressive and that do not discuss the argument like: " grow up, or sigh sigh "
This gives off the message that one is so superior to another that this One cannot even bother to argue, which is clearly a desire to use power instead of accepting the equality of the other and stick to points.
Until we see the sty in our own eyes, in whatever way we offend what ever type of person by using hidden or not so hidden NAMES, or offensive remarks on WHO someone is- I think it best to refrain from finger pointing and fancy classes on Venezuelan idiosyncrasies.
Opposition Internal Conflict
Unfortunately, this little spat represents all that is wrong with the Opposition in Venezuela. People are too ready to lose sight of the common foe and bicker amongst themselves over issues that don't advance the cause.
roy you are right
Roy,
You're right, which is why sexist remarks ,name calling and slander should be avoided, and when people apologize for having offended like Lazurus just did we should acknowledge them.
If we let those offending remarks go, the discussion disintegrates into a pattern of bullying.Passive ignoring of the problem is not going to do the trick because some will always attempt to be aggressive in their stance.
This is exactly how Chavez wins.He is aggressive and nobody stands up to it.People in Venezuela usually let the BIG man win.
There have to be rules of conduct, and there are none.
An apology from Lazarus
In my comment last night I was trying to add to the debate. Specifically that the government was celebrating (another) failure of 18 years ago while students were being gassed. Quico quickly slapped me down. I wrote to him elsewhere the following:
I am not the type of person to ever intentionally offend anyone, ever. I'll engage in debate on an ethical and moral basis, but not to debase.
But as a person who has picked up Spanish in Venezuela, on the street, by reading blogs and newspapers, dictionary's and watching local television over the past few years, I have obviously learned and written (parroted) something grotesque. Not my intention, and I apologize without knowing what it was.
I would appreciate if you would set me straight, so I do not repeat.
I do sincerely apologize for my gaffe.
Quico explained what I wrote, and accepted my apology.
First, I meant to write Mi comamdante, I made a typo.
Second, I do not know what a mico is.
Thirdly, thank you Quico for accepting my aplogy, and I hope the community does as well.
Fourthly, can we get back to an honest debate without the name calling?
thank, Laz...
class act...
Me das lastima - Lazarus
Come on pussy, man up and stick with your opinions and free speech.
a NON...
I did man-up and admit my mistake, a typo I find extremely offensive now that I understand.
And I was expressing my right to free speech.. and if due to poor reading and comprehension skills on your part (a result of the failed Mission Robinson?) I'll repeat.
I am disgusted that the government was celebrating a failed coup of 18 years ago (their first of many failures to come), where 100's of citizens were killed (with no mention in the ceremonies). While in another part of the city students were being gassed for expressing their right to free speech.
Do you get it?
And again.. please lay off the name calling