Bill Clinton knows another word for “trasnochos economicistas”


William Ojeda’s talanquera-pole-vaulting speech rejecting MUD’s “trasnochos economicistas” brought to mind this choice bit of Bill Clinton’s speech last night (from 1:02 in the clip):

You know, if William Ojeda wants to bolt from the MUD, good friggin’ ridance. The guy is a prime exemplar of premature-onset oppo dinosaurism. His dirty-tricks in the primary race against Juan Carlos Caldera in Petare were legion. By bolting 32 days before an election he says as much about his own character as any attack piece could.

William, buddy, don’t let the door hit you on your way out…

Didalco, de Lima, William Ojeda…you’d almost think the government is actively recruiting, wouldn’t you? The three we’ve had so far are hopeless batequebraos – but I wonder who they have lined up next?

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        • I love Clinton as a speaker, but it doesn’t hide the fact that Obama leads to higher taxes and government-funded abortions.

          • Juan,I agree here.It is not a matter of whether or not we allow abortions, but certainly people who see abortions as murder should not be forced to pay for them them.

            As for the tax issue I don’t see how raising the tax rate will do anything to the rich, because deductions are enormous when you are rich.The tax laws need reforming.

          • I hate the military and still a part of my taxes go towards funding them, nothing I can do about it… as fair a deal as we could get, I would say.

          • Moder,

            Do you agree with paying those taxes?

            If not why?

            Food for thought: We have to draw the line somewhere otherwise people will be lying all the time in order to not pay taxes.

            I have no religion myself but I do think religious objection should be a more valid reason to object, than just an ordinary disagreement.

          • Better to spend the money on gov-funded abortions than on useless wars abroad (Iraq for example). At least you benefiting your people.

          • Not really if you are making people pay for it when they believe it is murder.A war is not the same as murder.Sometimes war is inevitable.Perhaps they could allow people to pay this tax or not, depending on their conscience.Then we can separate the men from the boys.Those who want this tax will get a change to prove it.

            However I agree about the wars though, including helping Europe with Libya.I think Europe should protect itself and that we should withdraw from Afghanistan ,NOW.I am not a fan of the wars at all yet I do believe in a strong military in case we should need it though.There are an awful lot of criminals out there.

          • Ok, I’m biting on this one…
            1. Current US law doesn’t allow for federal funds to cover abortion procedures (some states choose to cover abortion procedures out of their own pockets, others don’t).

            2. Higher taxes compared to what? If in a two party system one party (the “conservative” party) lowers taxes across the board creating an unsustainable fiscal situation, is it not reasonable to at least go back to pre-tax cut rates at some point? In 1982 (after the Reagan tax cuts) the lowest tax bracket in the US paid taxes at a 12% rate, the highest (income over 200k adjusted for inflation) bracket paid 50%. Today the lowest bracket pays 10% and the highest (income over 380k) pays 35%. Keep in mind that doesn’t mean if you make 380k you pay 35% on all your income. You only pay that rate on each incremental $ over 380k).

            I dislike paying taxes as much as the next guy, but there has to be some correlation between the services we expect and what we pay for them. And since social programs don’t get smaller (in our case because of the size of the Boomer generation) we should expect to pay more taxes for them.

            I still haven’t met the first 60 something republican who renounces his SS pension and Medicaid benefits because we can’t afford them and they increase our national debt.

          • Clinton raised taxes and he advocated raising taxes in his speech albeit subtly. The whole ARITHMETIC quip was effectively a call to raise taxes. As far as abortion that wasn’t the focus of his speech, he was there to talk economics. So… *shrug*

          • Yeah, disappointing, but, some people have single issues that are important. And let’s not kid ourselves… Latin America in general is anti-abortion. So it’s not like Juan is expressing a minority opinion. It doesn’t bother me too much. That’s what’s so great about CC, we have people from almost all stripes effectively arguing their case. We just need a commie / anarchist and we’ll be set. 😉

      • Amazing indeed. Yo estoy empiezo una vaca para traerlo para acá y terminé de convencer y explicar a los ni-nis este desastre de gestión.

      • Bill Clinton is the best communicator in American Politics. Michele Obama the night before was also electrifying. Sorry, Mr. Nagel, but objectively comparing the eloquence, effectiveness and content of DNC speeches to RNC speeches is like comparing a rainbow to a turd. I really doubt you can argue otherwise.

      • I agree a bit to long, but the guy make sure to respond to every Republican’s criticism of Obama’s administration… Chavez should learn from this gringo, how to talk long but with substance!

  1. Unbelievable, just unbelievable. I wonder if this was a full surprise to UNT or somehow they knew something was going on. Since he called fraud in the Petare primary, he was on a lower profile.

    He wants to be Petare Mayor so bad. Chavismo didn’t have a man for the job. One thing took to another and voila.

    • I wonder if we will get one of those really entertaining stern-finger-wagging-scoldings from UNT leader supreme Omar Barboza soon. He´s so old, its adorable when he gets indignant.
      I also wonder if, with the State´s coffers at his disposal and the tarjeta chavista backing him in all its red splendor, if Ojeda could win the election from Caldera in Sucre…

    • The timing is definitely suspect because that (what I call pipedream) paper that David De Lima “released” has been circulating for weeks now. Venezuela Analysis jumped on it quite a few days ago. Why is it getting press now? Because simply they had to find a way to use it. Meanwhile Capriles has shown no indication that he fully supports that paper and I think it was originally drafted as a MUD fantasy scenario (consider for example that Capriles has advocated making the misiones law and such). The neoliberal things in it couldn’t be implemented, imo, until 6-10 years from now at minimum.

  2. El diputado opositor expresó que a pesar de tener “diferencias” con el gobierno, “sería un acto de ceguera no reconocer que la actual gestión gubernamental ha hecho un enorme esfuerzo en la agenda social”.

    Sha… me pregunto cuántos ceros tiene esa “agenda social” de la que tanto cacarea…

    Por cierto, ¿no hay una Ley Antitalanquera? Deberíamos aplicársela y sacarlo de la AN…

  3. What are your positions on the respective US parties’ positions on Venezuela? Should the US declare Venezuela a narco terrorist state and blockade it, after it bombs Iran? But seriously, I wonder what the response will be/should be if Venezuela is the source of an “October surprise”? Morbid thought, but maybe other readers have the same morbid thought.

    • The U.S. has extremely limited leverage in Venezuela – there is no imaginable set of circumstances where they’d stop buying our oil, or we’d stop selling it to them, and the rest is fluff.

      The big U.S. parties shouldn’t have a Venezuela policy at all.

      The U.S. State Department should do what it can to pressure countries like Chile, Mexico, Colombia and Uruguay to push-back if there’s hanky-panky on Oct. 7th. Nothing they can do directly will be helpful.

      • Well, the more Venezuelan oil exports to the U.S. drop, the less “leverage” Venezuela has vs. the U. S. And, there will be a level reached, with increasing exports to China, etc,, when there is NO leverage. And, in the event of an Iran conflict, blockage of the Straits of Hormuz, the whole ballgame changes. Geopolitics 101.There is a U.S. policy, based on contingencies, at the highest level, as there should be, but it isn’t publicized, and the current policy of letting Chavez auto-destruct is correct. .

      • Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last time I checked, the US did not buy any oil to Venezuela.

        As far as I understand, Venezuela sends oil to PDVSA-owned CITGO, which refines it, and sells final products in the US market to gringos. Therefore, the US has zero leverage in that regard, as the trade does not take place between the US government and Chavez, but between Chavez and gringos, be them individuals or companies.

        This is why all chavista threats about dizque “stopping selling oil to the evil empire” is utter BS for the ignorant masses.

        PS: Juan I feel your pain man, nauseating the whole clintonista, michellesque love-fest. But then again, Romney? Really? Is that the better the GOP can do? Leftists are so bloody lucky, they’ve always strike luck, coming across imbeciles for opponents.

          • Having said that though, hay que verle la cara a la absoluta decrepitud moral de los democratas, y sus admiradores, que tienen al hombre que pone a las internas a becerrear bajo el escritorio presidencial -y luego miente descaradamente sobre ello- como el adalid cuya palabra debe ser tomada en serio.

            What a pathetic spectacle really. The tragedy is that it is the same everywhere.

    • The only thing I can imagine that Venezuela would affect the US election in would be a sudden spike in the global price of oil if there is any serious political unrest. Other than that (admittedly awful) scenario, I can’t see much difference in Obama or Ryan’s position towards Vzla. The Republicans may be more vocal against Chavez but the fact remains that neither administration would be overly friendly towards a Chavez government.

  4. Es evidente la emboscada de William Ojeda. Si se fijan en las fotos y videos de la “rueda de prensa”, TODOS los medios presentes eran oficialistas. Mejor mensaje que ese, imposible…

  5. What an Idiot. He’s just a bad loser and an egoist bastard. Like Rafael Caldera in 1992, he just wants to be in the spotlight to see if somebody, one of these days, votes him into a poltical position. BATEQUEBRAO!

  6. Well, I may be slower than usual tonight but I don’t see any similarity between Bill Clinton’s sound criticism of the Romney-Ryan plan and the third-world mentality remarks made by our economic ignoramus friend WO….

  7. I guess this can have a couple of readings.

    If Ojeda is and Insider and has insider information, he is trying to go to the winning team, which is really bad for our prospects. If he is NOT an insider and simply wants to be on some ticket as he couldn’t win the Sucre primary, then he is just an brown-nosed opportunist.

  8. I think the MUD is going apeshit without need. An overreaction to Ojeda is sure to misfire. The best response is not cut Mr. Ojeda’s head but treat him like the black sheep he is and seize the opportunity to help Capriles’ campaign.

    For instance Mr. Ojeda says:
    “No estamos de acuerdo para nada en paquetes de medidas de ajusto macroeconómico que avanza desde una perspectiva ortodoxa y que dejan del lado a la gente, de quienes piensan hacer del pueblo apenas una estadística de una fría hoja de cálculo.”

    The economic team of the MUD should make a press conference and get rid once and for all of any doubt about any neoliberal tendencies inside the MUD. Criticize harshly CAP II and explain why the MUD’s economic agenda is entirely different.

    Mr. Ojeda’s said:
    “Tenemos diferencias con algunos aspectos del gobierno nacional, seria un acto de ceguera negar que la actual gestión ha hecho una gran esfuerzo en la agenda social […] programas y ejecutorias que pueden ser mejorados, profundizados, que pueden mejorar su eficiencia”.

    What’s the big deal about it? Many MUD speakers have praised some of the Misiones. Capriles has stated several times that he’s not gonna get rid of them. Puh-lease…

    “Todo lo que se realice en Venezuela en políticas públicas tiene que tener como punto central a la persona humana, a nuestro pueblo”

    The last time I check, PJ defined itself as “centrohumanista”. The new umbrella-group created by former Podemos-PPT members also puts emphasis on the human being.

    I don’t like Mr. Ojeda. The guy is nothing but an attention whore. However, instead of running like a headless chicken everytime somebody dares to criticize the HOLY MUD or Capriles, the guys running the campaign should use their friggin’ heads. Isn’t that what spin doctors are supposed to do? For crying out loud…

      • So far, Henrique and the Comando Venezuela have been silent and they probably won’t touch the issue at all. UNT has suspended Ojeda and looks like they leave it like that until the election is over. Smart moves in my view. This is just a nuisance into the great narrative under way in the campaign.

        • Everybody’s talking about it and it’s gonna be hard to just sweep it under the rug. It’s the elephant in the room. It’s probably better to talk it out, but with less indignation and more wits. You can always make the number crunchers (like Jose Guerra) laugh at Mr. Ojeda for his cluelessness while Capriles shrug it off and keep on doing his thing.

      • But they are doing quite the opposite! They are expelling him from UNT, calling him a traitor and asking for their head.
        Fortunately, there are some guys doing the right thing. Jose Guerra is distancing himself of CAP II, calling that economical suicide. According to Mr. Guerra anything close to shock therapy would lead Venezuelan economy to recession.
        That’s specially important because some economists have been warning that devaluation and cuts in public spending are unavoidable in the short term, no matter who wins in October. For that reason, I think the MUD must put emphasis on that gradual transition vs. shock therapy thing…

        • UNT didn’t expelled him, but suspended him. They will do a disciplinary procedure soon (likely included in its rules), but they wait after October 7th IMHO.

  9. OMG so much fuss about a document that is obviously fake and does not say anything coherent at all… why are we talking about CAP II and shock therapy?? this is insane… ojeda es una anecdota insignificante y completamente irrelevante en esta campaña, seria una estupidez dignificar su torpeza prestandole atencion. El mensaje es seguridad, empleos y reconcialiacion. (Que los trasnochados discutan sobre neoliberalismo entre ellos.)

  10. Toro is the most dishonest journalist writing about Venezuela. He makes it seem as though it was Ojeda’s decision to leave the opposition. Ojeda didn’t “wan[t] to bolt from the MUD”. He criticized the MUD for its neoliberal policies, then got EXPELLED by his MUD-affiliated party.

    Rather than discussing the substance of Ojeda’s criticism, and defending the MUD economic policy, Toro prefers to keep his neoliberal agenda hidden, and resorts to tribal partisan attack.


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