What happened this weekend

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bare-knuckle-boxer_625x352Say you’re challenged to a boxing match. As you approach the ring, you notice your opponent is not wearing any boxing gloves. He’s just bare-knuckle. And you’re gloved. The referee can see your opponent isn’t wearing any gloves. The fight judges can see that too. They don’t bat an eyelash.

At this point, you have a decision to make. If you jump into that ring, you have to knock the guy out cold. Even though you’re gloved and he isn’t. It’s your only hope. You’ll never win on points with that ref and with those fight judges. That’s obvious. Because that ref and those judges can see just as well as you can that your opponent isn’t wearing any gloves, and if they gave the tiniest fuck about fairness, they wouldn’t allow the fight to go on in those conditions in the first place.

On April the 14th, Henrique Capriles got into the ring with an ungloved Nicolás Maduro. He took one hard, bare-knuckled punch and was knocked out. Then, bloodied and bruised, Capriles  looked up from the ground to the ref and cried “no fair! That guy wasn’t wearing any gloves! I demand a review of the videotape!

On Saturday night, (in an 11 p.m. cadena!), the referee looked down and said, “that’s impossible! there’s nothing in the rules about reviewing any videotape!” 

Now, a couple of things to note: this debate about the videotape is really a bit of a distraction. The referee, the judges, the entire audience and everyone watching from home knows the other guy wasn’t wearing any gloves. But then, you knew the other guy wasn’t wearing any gloves when you jumped into the ring with him too!

You knew the game you  signed up to.

You knew it wasn’t fair.

You climbed into the ring anyway.

At this point, it doesn’t really matter to me if all your fans are right there behind you cheering you on as you turn to the ref and the fight judges and appeal the decision to award the other guy the win even though he wasn’t wearing any gloves: it’s still pathetic.

1 COMMENT

  1. Some in other words, if I understood, we shouldn’t have participated on the first place. But we did, so as we did, and we knew the “rules” then we shouldn’t complain. So what’s your proposal Quico? Sit down and watch? Build a new majority from the bases? Take out the 7M+ Venezuelans out of the country and let the rest enjoy the country they want?

  2. I’m sorry, but you’re utterly wrong. If Maduro ran unopposed, the opposition would have no legitimate ground for complaints. Maduro would probably win without too much controversy, even without cheating, and another 6 years would pass with Chavistats (Maduristas?) running the country further underground. With a Caprilles moral victory, demonstrating the weakness of the regime, plus with a tainted victory like this one, with open bias of the judges impossible to hide, the opposition actually won a major victory. It should continue to issue these very reasonable, very democratic demands, that will be predictably turned down by the regime, weakening it further. It won’t win it presidency yet, but it will severely damage the regimes’ ability to operate.

    Even your comparison is flawed. The opponent wasn’t bare knuckled, he was wearing gloves with horseshoes in them. Now Caprilles wants those gloves examined for horseshoes and the judges refuse saying the rules don’t allow it, despite distinct horseshoe imprints on his skin and despite the same judges demanded his own gloves be checked for horseshoes in the previous match.

    • I agree, more pathetic for the oppo would have been choosing not to compete, I mean, look at 2005, it was pathetic, and it probably paved the way for the Chávez’s landslide of 2006, I don’t see a clear way ahead, but at least we are finally denouncing our rigged electoral system (too late, maybe?), I’m convinced we are not going to get the electoral result questioned by the TSJ, or the CNE, but I think this cements Capriles leadership (depending of course, on how he manages this crisis) within the oppo, and makes him visible to the other half of the country, placing him as a known alternative. When things continue to deteriorate, it would be on the chavismo sin Chávez watch, with all the powers under their control. Ours, I reckon, will be a hard fight, a political street fight, about keeping our spaces, our visibility, and showing our strength until the day of reckoning comes.

    • I agree – your analogy of the loaded gloves is much more on the mark than Quico’s. We have every right to examine those gloves, and the legitimacy of the fight has been seriously challenged. Not entering the ring at all would have achieved nothing.

      • Indeed. he had to enter the ring just s he could travel the predictable road that would eventually lead to where we are now. The ball bearings in the gloves should be exposed…..

  3. Sorry, no. It is still important to show that the judges are enabling the cheating, and you could not make your case if you had not agreed to the fight.

  4. For the oppo there is a learning experience in every election in which it engages Chavismo , there is a learning curve in dealing with its tricks and wily manipulations , They know the referee is going to allow its adversary some blatant advantages ( of the ‘turn a blind eye’ variety ) , that it will neglect to enforce certain rules with favour its opponent but they also know that there are some rules which it cannot openly violate without the whole world crying foul , something they want to avoid. for the regime feels that keeping up appearances is important . So the oppo relies on their fear of being too open in their tampering with the most important of those rules to allow it a chance of winning the election . Now the election gives an extremely close result , From past experience you learn to organize yourself to collect evidence or data which might show if the electoral body is playing tricks with the process , and as a result discover indications that not only has the regime played the blind eye game but that it also has tampered with some of the basic rules of the electoral contest.. You feel that if according to those rules you are entitled to go deeper into the data you can totally uncover the scams that the electoral body have committed , the regime is bound to stall or block your but even if your fail in getting to the data still you are able to show evidence or data that suggests or shows that the regime is strongly suspect of having cheated , which even if it doesnt get you a new election or change the results allows you to hurt the regimes image , to show the regime naked in its use of tricks and chicanery, that it is not supported by the huge mayority that it proudly claims to have , something which is the basis of their credibility and legitimacy feeding their self confidence . Your purpose in crying foul is not to overturn an election but to make the regimes weakness and dishonesty noticiable , thus debilitating its image and credibility while at the same time keeping your own people united , enthused and energized with the idea that there is a struggle going on (not of the violent kind) to unmask the regimes dishonesty and increasing frailty. .

    • And the best way to show that you are not dishonest is to make absurd claims for which you present absolutely no proof. Than just repeat the same claims again and again until your supporters start saying that “substantial” and “documented” evidence exists to support them when it does not.

  5. A detail; as this drama plays out, in many quarters beyond the frontiers – the fight was, after all, on global TV – the heretofore (more or less) accepted legitimacy of the government is daily undermined. The longer it carries on, the closer those foreign eyes look, only to find that there may well be grounds for the pesky objections of the pesky opposition. As that doubt settles in, the advisabilty of any dealings with such a goverment gets murkier: would you lend a pile of spondulicks to the nation at this point in time?

  6. Bare knuckled? You’re kidding, right? With absolutely everything stacked in Maduro’s favor (government funds, employees -some of which willingly helped, others not so much- ministers, Congress, electoral board, media, and I could go on and on), I certainly would not describe it that way. I, for one, am very glad Capriles went into that ring. Let’s see what happens.

  7. I would add to the analogy the ref and the judges have been telling us for years the process is 100% transparent because you can always ask to do a review of the tape. Now, they knocked you down but not because the other guy was bare knuckled but because he pulled out a knife and stabbed you with it. The referee didn’t see a thing of course. When you demand a review they say you can only look at 46% of it and only in fast forward. Plus they won’t even let you look into the other guy’s pocket to see if he’s carrying a knife.

  8. Do you know what this post is? It is an excuse! By blaming Capriles you free yourself from the obligation to fight with him because for you it is all his fault!
    Sad!

  9. All figths you entre to win.
    a victory may not look the same, it depends of the situation and the people.
    Capriles ran for win, that is clear and he came very close, againt the odds.
    It is my beleive that we win, the case is very solid. If you ask me in numbers we won, morally we won, politicaly let said a side victory, we only left with the legal victory.

    Using your exmple the thing went like this; final round last minute, we knock out Maduro, he is on the floor the ref is counting, number 7,8……… Ring ring, end of the fight, maduro wins by a controversial desicion.

    So what we do?, we keep the fight, what Capriles is doing is only logical and since we got a logical oposition and good lider, lets take conformt on that.

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  10. Duuude! Come on! I have read this blog for a few years, and will continue to do so, because I respect you guys, and I think you’re great writers. But I’ve got to tell you the truth, ever since the week before the elections you have all been writing posts that are beneath you. I don’t know if you’re interpreting this situation incorrectly…or umm….I really don’t know what is up with you.
    This is a constructive criticism BTW, and I don’t mean any disrespect, I’m just hoping you realize what is going on, and maybe start trusting a tiny bit more the guy you said: no iba pal baile.

    • I’ve felt the same things as AlbertoJ.
      Also, Venezuela needs a democratic leader who, not only loves his country, but is realistic and is willing to attempt to convert some of Chavez’s better ideas into workable solutions for the venezuelan people. Venezuela is fortunate to have a Capriles, a leader who is capable of saving Venezuela and of hopefully halting the spread of this Cuban nonsense throughout South America.

    • AlbertoJ, you’re right. FT has a strange way of dealing with frustration. Prior to the election FT and JC made a decision not to sound too pro-oppo. In doing so, the blog lost its identity and they started writing horrible posts.

    • Well put Alberto. I think HCR has a strategy that will be shown in time. It’s not his first day at the races. Or his first time in the ring lol

  11. …Not to forget!! …because of Capriles’ “testicles” to stand strong in front of a “tramposo” unfair game, is that today chavistas are still licking their wounds, knowing that they lost a million followers in days, knowing that the opposition is the bigger half, and knowing that only “trampa” keeps them in power… Because of that unfair fight, we have evidence, like never before, that these “malas manas” people don’t belong where they are and that the beginning of their end is already there…
    I read your blog daily and recommend your articles often. This one will not be one of them. The opposition, that half of Venezuela, in which I put myself, deserves a lot more credit this time. 🙁

    • Uh, let’s see. You could congratulate your supporters for coming closer than ever to winning. You could assure them that next time around you will probably win. And you could acknowledge that with this electoral system it is nearly impossible to commit fraud.

      But nah! Let’s make up a bunch of false “evidence” of fraud, call our supporters into the streets, and create an atmosphere of violence that leads to 9 deaths and dozens wounded. You’re right Juan, there was no other alternative.

      • Get a Clue, if they don’t let us look at the cuadernos we have every reason to believe they committed fraud. Period.

        Now, you don’t care of course because you can always go back to the us if shit starts to hit the fan in Venezuela. Kudos! Enjoy the Bolivarian revolution while it lasts.

        • The opposition already did look at the cuadernos, and they signed the acta certifying that they were fine.

          The only people who are falling for Capriles’ nonsense are those who don’t have enough sense to think for themselves.

          • As someone who is open to the possibility of fraud but still waiting for evidence. Are you sure the auditorías en caliente check the cuadernos? Cuz I thought all they do is open boxes to see if the papeletas match the vote count in the machine.

          • Maybe you ought to understand how the auditorias work before believing claims of fraud?? Just a suggestion…

          • I personally have never claimed there’s fraud. But I do think it’s possible and that’s what the auditoria is for. AAAANNNDD if there has been ballot stuffing I think the opposition has every right to look at cuadernos again if they want to carry out a more exhaustive investigation.

          • Any ballot stuffing would have been detected by the random audit on the night of the elections. It is statistically impossible for it to have gone undetected as even Toro admitted before he decided to change his position to coincide with Capriles’ nonsense.

          • The auditorias are _supposed_ to check the cuadernos. I don’t know if they did, since pretty much all the actas have the cuaderno part in blank.

            Now, presumably not ALL witnesses are clueless, so I do expect some cuadernos to have been checked. The extent of this “check”, however, is just to count that # of voters in cuaderno matches # of voters according to machine. It does _not_ constitute a check of any other factors, such as dead people voting, or (more importantly) people “voting” multiple times and having someone sign their names in the notebooks.

          • Also, what’s the problem with letting the opposition look at them again? Why not let us do all the audits to make us look like folks and force us to admit that’s the result?

          • One, because they aren’t going to play the opposition’s game. What is to stop them from making up more lies about the cuadernos, just like they did with the supposed mesas that didn’t add up?

            Two, because the opposition already looks like fools with their fake evidence and ridiculous claims.

          • Three, because it is obvious that the opposition is never going to admit the results. If you haven’t figured that out yet, well…. nevermind.

          • 1) It’s not CNE’s job to play or not to play the opposition’s game. Their job is to make the audits as long as they are contemplated in electoral law.
            2) Not every claim the opposition has made has been proven wrong. Case in point: dead people who voted. Now, you can say those are statistically insignificant. The answer again is, we can’t say that until we carry out a serious investigation.
            3) That’s just speculation.

          • One person? That’s all you’ve got? So its not that “dead people” voted, its that “one dead person may have voted”, because I don’t see the proof that she actually voted.

          • You’re missing the point. The proof (or disproof) is in the notebooks that the CNE won’t allow access to.

            So you’re correct. There’s no available “proof” that this person (or others in question) voted. But there is suspicion, given that she was added to the REP after she died. So we ask for proof (either to prove or disprove the hypothesis) by looking at the source of truth, the cuadernos and SAI registry.

          • Guys,

            Just remember this GAC guy is totally cool with Godgiven’s censoring actions at the AN, for the sake of democracy of course. This GAC guy also will NEVER address the VENTAJISMO issue or the simple fact that, by refusing to do the audit, the opposition has enough reasons to be suspicious of a government that openly calls your leader a “faggot” and a “drug addict piece of shit”. Also, this GAC guy is totally cool with shit like this:

            “¡¡¡El 14 a Capriles lo vamos a derrotar, y a partir del 15, a la oligarquía debemos expropiar!!!”

            I am with TV and Bill Bass on this one: keep denouncing the fraud but also keep denouncing the hellhole of a country these people have left us with:

            http://www.notitarde.com/Sucesos/Venezuela-cifra-en-3400-los-homicidios-desde-el-1-de-enero/2013/04/01/174591

            http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/Latin-America-Monitor/2012/1228/Venezuela-South-America-s-most-dangerous-country

            -Los

          • No, not at the cuadernos where there were no witnesses, or where the witnesses were pressured out.

          • So far there has not been any proof that witnesses were pressured out in ANY voting centers, let alone the hundreds of voting centers that Capriles claims…

          • Taking a look at the cuadernos is not a whim, it is a right! Look at what Doctor Chiflado said about the importance of the cuadernos way back in 2012. If we have reasonable doubts about the process itself, we can file a contestation and see those dam fucking cuadernos, Period.

            We are demanding a full audit becuase IT IS OUR RIGHT ! Period. Shut the hell up, you facist.

          • Hahaha, no, you have to show some sort of PROOF that the results are not accurate, or that there are some irregularities in the results, in order to demand this kind of audit.

            So far what your candidate has shown are lies.

          • No man, I have a clue that you are an ass-licker that would justify whatever this government does for a little bozal…

          • I repeat, I want to see the damn fucking cuadernos because I am Venezuelan its my f… damn right. And you are wrong, you are manipulating: Jorge Rodriguez states that very clearly (some ear washing is needed from time to time): the CNE needs to keep the cuadernos for years in case of any contestation. Didn’t you hear that or should you start using the brain a little?

            If I want to check the damn cuadernos, you fascist, I have the right to check the cuadernos. You had the right back in 2004 to check, re-check and challenge 4 million signatures because you wanted. Now you, like a fascist, tell me that I cannot? Grow up some nuts!

          • As Rodriguez clearly says in your video, the cuadernos were needed in the opposition primary to prove fraud because all of the other security measures were not in place. There were not acompañantes, there were not testigos, there were not captahuellas, there was not tinta indeleble, there was not auditoria del 54 por ciento, etc.

          • Get a clue, you lied about the cuadernos having been seen in the centers without witnesses, and now you attempt to insinuate that there is no testimonial evidence regarding witnesses being pressured to leave before seeing the cuadernos, yet there are hundreds of reported incidents.

          • The “actas” say that. The CSB filed a compendium of the evidence thereof with photos.

          • Oh, so we are just supposed to believe that the CSB has the evidence, but they won’t show it to anyone?

            Guess what, the CNE already said their evidence is a joke. Maybe the CSB should put up or shut up huh?

    • Exactly right!

      Mr. Toro, instead of giving us another metaphorical truism, give us your thoughts on possible paths forward.
      If you ever work for a Fortune 100 Company you’re out the door in no time with your negativism.

      • If he was working for a Fortune 100 Company he wouldn’t be writing this blog; and if you did, you wouldn’t be reading it either.

        • Your pissing in the wind. Read my post again and pay attention to the word “If”. It’s about having a negative attitude that gets you fired for sure by constantly whining about problems rather than presenting solutions. I don’t know if he would be blogging and you don’t either.

          I didn’t think I had to explain this and am still POSITIVE that most readers get it.

          As to your 2nd thought: 2x WRONG.

  12. The only thing to do is do whatever is necessary to have the match annulled, even if it take time , patience and at the end you have the crow to help you. I think if you insist and push hard, you have a very good chance to overturned the decision.

  13. Rather, the refs called the fight on points… and Capriles is asking for a review of the tape.

    Bloodied and on the ground he ain’t. The guy who was boasting of knocking Capriles over, on the other hand is looking bad, bleeding from the eyebrow, and worse every day.

  14. Instead of constantly whining and saying “it’s not fair!” you all might try to consider why, for NEARLY TWO DECADES, the Venezuelan people have been telling the Venezuelan opposition to CHANGE, that the majority of Venezuelans do not support their ideology. Yet you all continue with the same nonsense tactics of 2002, 2003, 2004. Cry fraud, and say “it’s not fair!”.

    • In a sufficiently unfair fight, Barbie will defeat Godzilla. It’s just a matter of applying the correct handicaps and boons at correct times. The Caprilles vs Maduro was obviously grossly unfair, but now fairly solid evidence also shows it was fraudulent. Not a good thing, if Maduro is to keep his title.

      • Yes, “fairly solid evidence”… except for the fact that the only real examples they have given have been shown to be lies.

        Keep on drinking the kool-aid!

      • Yes it was unfair with Capriles supporters in control of a media that was and still is willing to tell literally any lie to get back into power. Funny how with that unfairness Chavez and now Maduro just keep on winning elections despite the constant torrent of lies that the oppo media throws at them. If the oppo was actually able to be honest its continuing losses might actual enable it to change and win at some point in the future. Instead it continues on the same delusional path.

        • The proof is in the pudding. The fact that so many Capriles supporters actually believe he has “evidence” of fraud just goes to show you who is winning the media war.

  15. Quico, your analogy is not good. When we decided to participate, did we agree on massive “voto asistido”? Did we agree that it was OK to get our witnesses kicked out of centers? Did we say yes to votes in notebooks not matching vote tallies from the machines? Cause if we did, I don’t recall when Capriles signed up for that.

    Furthermore, Maduro has no gloves? So he was the one at a disadvantage?

    • And I don’t recall Capriles actually showing any real evidence that any of that occurred. But keep on dreaming Juan.

    • Capriles claim: Oppo witnesses expelled in over 200 centers. Amount of proof he has advanced to prove it: nothing. Not one witness, not one video showing it.

    • I don’t agree with Francisco but I must say that yes. We did agree to all of that. It’s the same exact thing that happened with Chavez and unless you were thinking in “pajaritos preñados” you’d have to be naive to think this wasn’t going to happen and to think CNE was going to do anything about it.

    • Could you please tell me if the CSB has a smart plan B besides waiting till the international community realize that there was something wrong with the Venezuelan election? Because most of the problems that you mention were also present in Oct-2012 (and nearly in all previous election).

  16. Funny, Toro still can’t acknowledge that his candidate is lying about fraud. He knows it, but he won’t admit it, because he has no honesty. 2002 all over again Toro!

  17. I agree, the attempt by Capriles to lie and distort reality is absurd at this point.

    http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/8905
    “Apparently, much of the evidence was presented in the same basic format that Capriles used during a press conference last week, in which very general claims were simply printed on sheets of paper.” Capriles is a transparent serial liar that has such a low opinion of his supporters he believes that they will accept literally anything he says no matter how ridiculous it is. How simple it would be to prove he is not a liar by producing the actual evidence that backs up his claims. His failure to do so exposes his dishonesty.

  18. ” He took one hard, bare-knuckled punch and was knocked out. ”
    WTF? Losing by one point would be more realistic.
    Time to stop reading such nonsense.

  19. Capriles’ strategy has worked rather well, I think. The refusal of the Election Commission to demonstrate that the vote was fair has had, and will continue to have deleterious effects on Maduro’s legitimacy and credibility, as well as the judges’ own legitimacy.

    Quico’s view, that this is all “pathetic,” would honour the Marquis of Queensbury, but the Marquis was removed from office some time ago, replaced by armband-wearing hacks.

    • “The refusal of the Election Commission to demonstrate that the vote was fair”

      No, the CNE has demonstrated the vote was fair. If it was not the opposition witnesses had the opportunity to challenge that in individual vote centers. The one who has failed to demonstrate there was anything wrong with it is Capriles.

  20. To win, one must play the game. Spectators never win. Chavismo has a long list of uncontested victories. Capriles caught the Chavistas by surprise with his grievance. Now the Chavistas are guilty but unable to respond according to their own constitution. The dead Hugo Chavez left no instructions for them in this case.

    My forecast is that eventually a new election will occur. It may take two years. However, it will not be Maduro running since Venezuela will be a completely failed country by then. Chavismo will finally have primaries and Cabello will become the Chavista candidate. Then, Capriles will win.
    (Time stamped at 9:19am April 29, 2013.)

    • I think chavistas will keep control of the country with more repression, fear, etc. The control machine established by the castros has proven to work perfectly in Venezuela.

  21. Don’t shoot the messenger! I find Quico’s observations correct, whether we like them or not. The criticism is not to the decision of participating, but to some of the reactions to member of MUD to the blatant abuse from the CNE’s part. They knew what they were getting into, so instead of playing the victim card and crying naively for lack of fairness, the need to assertively accuse the CNE of violation of electoral law and put them in evidence in front of the Venezuelan public and the international community. Whining about lack of fairness won’t cut it.

  22. Your boxing analogy is just plain wrong. There was no knockout. You can never call a 1% decision victory by “those fight judges” a knockout. Call it a split decision, maybe. 7/O was a knockout. This one was clearly not. And to continue with the boxing theme: when you fight a good fight, one that ‘could go either way’, and then you get the 1% split decision loss, well then it is totally valid to bring up how unfair the fight conditions really were. A 1% result under those conditions has to make you wonder what “could’ve been” with both fighters gloved AND some impartial judging.

    And to call it pathetic! The only pathetic thing about this post is the poor grasp you have in boxing terms and concepts.

    • I was about to write the same Bonifacio.

      I would add that Capriles went to the fight knowing the other one had no gloves, that all the judges were not impartial and that, at least in appearance and half of the audience was betting against him. Yet, he couldn’t let down the other half so he fought for them, and he fought hard. And he fought well.

      Keep in mind that there is also a big audience that saw this fight through very and carefully controlled monitors: the international audience. The cheating was quite evident in many occasions, so they got suspicious and they too are asking to review the tapes, and not only the tapes but the voting numbers of those biased judges making the decision.

      This fight is not over.

  23. I am going to go with Kiko for this one: only a die hard chavista or a complete idiot could think this election was going to be fair. They always had the power to cheat, only this time is the only time they needed to do so.
    If the evidence were in the books, as it probably is, they will never let you see them. If it was in the ballots, they will never let you see those. Both the CNE members and the TSJ judges know its their heads in the line; do you think they will let you separate them from their jobs, which is probably the only thing keeping them out of a life time in jail? Obviously not.
    The question is: since everyone knew this, what is Radonski trying to do asking for a “true audit”?

    Is it a bid to keep himself relevant, a desperate event to not lose face with the “viejas del cafetal”
    or maybe…

      • how is the audit of the cuadernos prior to the election anywhere relevant?

        Do you understand that what people want to verify is that there are the same number of registries in the cuadernos as in the actas? Why is that so much to ask?

        • Rodrigo,

          Why is it that your demands always mirror exactly what Capriles is saying? Drinking the kool-aid much?

          If there were a discrepancy between the cuadernos and the actas it would show up in the actas. Besides, there were opposition people present as all voters were identified by cedula and fingerprint.

          Hey, how about the claim by Capriles that there was a lone voting machine hidden away in a house where 10 buses full of Chavistas showed up to vote. You believing that claim too?

          • Because the actas would show if more people voted in a center than were registered to vote there. There is no way around that.

            What’s wrong, can’t answer my questions?

          • but they don’t show when people that were registered to voted, and did not do it, but somehow the system shows as if they did.

            the question about capriles? Well, they happen to be reasonable demands.

          • Right, so you think that in thousands of different voting centers around the country, somehow they voted for people who didn’t vote, without anyone noticing, they did this for nearly 300,000 people.

            Maybe you are dumb enough to believe Capriles claim that busloads of Chavistas were voting on a hidden electoral machine? Can’t answer the question?

          • No, only anyone with a brain can answer that. But thanks anyway for playing. You’ve clearly shown that you aren’t capable of independent though.

          • Maybe or maybe not isn’t an argument either. But hey, why argue with me? Why don’t you go talk to Quico who has been arguing for years that this kind of thing is impossible?

            Kinda funny that he’s gotten so quiet about that right now when it has become the center of attention huh?

      • Taking a look at the cuadernos is not a whim, it is a right! Look at what Doctor Chiflado said about the importance of the cuadernos way back in 2012.

        We are demanding a full audit becuase IT IS OUR RIGHT ! Period. Shut the hell up, you facist.

  24. Quico,

    The gloves are also meant to protect the puncher (his hands), not just the guy getting punched. Maybe we could extend the analogy to Illustrate how chavistas have also hurt themselves by cheating.

    I think you have a point in that there was not much of a peep (or maybe a couple of little peeps) from the csb about the unfairness of the elections pre April 14. The argument back then was probably: let’s not demoralize our voters. And now, it does feel like the opposition is acting like the police chief in Casablanca: i am shocked, shocked, that there is gambling in this establishment!

    And yet… Good politics does not always have to be intertemporally consistent. You revise your strategy as events unfold and the mood of the country changes. You dont want to be a flip flopper but you dont want to act like a monolith either.

  25. One thing is clear. If Maduro’s gang had NOTHING to hide in the ‘cuadernos de votacion’, this would be their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to ridicule Capriles and forever erase him from the political arena. Think about it… CNE giving the opposition the cuadernos/books, and proving that they hide nothing, and that the elections were won fair and square, and that Capriles is truly full of it.

    So, you really have to ask yourself: why would Maduro’s gang (which includes the CNE) not take this unique opportunity to take all credibility away from Capriles, forever?

    After you let that sink in… does anyhow have any doubt in their mind that these lying thieves have EVERYTHING to loose by showing what Capriles is (rightfully) demanding?

    Let’s summarize where we stand: Capriles now asks for ‘impugnacion’, CNE is OK with that ‘as long as there is proof’ for impugnacion. Capriles asks for cuadernos, where he knows proof of Fraud is written now in history. CNE says NO you cannot see the books. This is a country rules by clowns.

    Stalemate

  26. Alberto Nolia ‏@Anoliapsuv 3 Jan
    Con la muerte del presidente algunos andan con sueńos de ser presidente donde andará raronski? Este pueblo cambió, nunca más volverán

    Alberto Nolia Alberto Nolia ‏@Anoliapsuv 2 Jan
    Lamentablemente el presidente chavez murió en la Habana el pasado 31/12/12. Ahora a respetar la constitución

  27. Boxing is a game.

    If you are confronted by a 300 pound thug in an alleyway and he’s going to permanently take away something you love, do you fight or do you walk away? And if you fight are you ‘pathetic’?

  28. I totally disagree with this post.
    First, Capriles was not knocked out.
    Second, he knew the contest wasn’t fair, and participated, got the votes, didn’t get the win because of the referee. Now, what should he do? Just say that we lost?

    Capriles is showing Venezuelans and the World that the referee is not fair, is putting “plomo en el ala” to Maduro, so next time we go to vote, they will have to admit more fairness to us, and we will know that our candidate will fight for us.
    The worst strategy is not to fight.

    This morning Vicente Diaz was acknowledging that the CNE rectores had a meeting with a pollster, who was showing them how the CNE is losing credibility, … I bet today not 70% of Venezuelans approve the CNE like the did six months ago. ….

    In other order of ideas, if Maduro had agreed to a recount and open the boxes the day after the election, He had probably caught the opposition off guard, and would have gained more legitimacy. But, in contrast, he said he would open the boxes, then backtracked, same for the CNE, giving Capriles several opportunities to set the table.

    Politically, it was a big victory. We are today a lot better than we were on Apr. 15, and on Apr. 15 we were a lot better than on March 20, and on March 20, we were a lot better than on Oct 8, and so for. Nobody said it was going to be easy…

  29. The bare-knuckled boxer is fighting for the Chavez legacy. To the judges, he is a hero using the superpowers of his mentor. You, with the gloves on, are the enemy. However, and history will bear me out, to be a player in the game of politics, you have to be in the ring. Period.

    Now, what evens up the battle is that the bare-knuckled boxer is under a lot of pressure. The mob is backing him up, and they are kind of nervous. After all, with the bare-knuckles and all, you are still in the ring. That’s a puzzling complication that was not part of the plan. The legacy is not looking quite as “immaculate” as proposed, and the boxer is looking weaker than his mentor. The fan club is disappointed. The mob needs the fan club more than ever now because there are bills to be paid and time is running out.

      • No Canucklehead, rather it’s me pointing out that FT’s position is as untenable as that of Capriles. He’s been caught in the same stupidity “fraud is impossible… the system has been sufficiently audited…” FT was actually cheering for Capriles to enter the fight with the bare knuckle gorilla, and is now criticising Capriles, for crying fraud? Why did he cheer him on in the first place then, if it was so irrational?

        • I’ll admit, his position is somewhat inconsistent although I hardly saw Francisco as cheerleading the Capriles campaign. He was hedging his bets. Now he is taking your position. What difference does that make? is my point.

          • Quico was championing Capriles before 7O. big time. And what a let down it was, with Quico wailing after crumpling on the floor, photo-opportunity to boot. Quico turned to an I-don’t-wanna-get-caught-again-with-my-pants-down position, prior to and after 14A.

          • There was a lot of wailing and crumpling going on everywhere after 7O. People were losing their minds. And then they recovered.

            There is a fine line between bona fide skepticism and trying to be, what they say here, “too cool for school.” I think Francisco comes by his arguments honestly. I just think he’s wrong.

    • Alek, in the post in your blog you acknowledge that his strategy would work if he had a smoking gun as proof. I think he does, and its in the cuadernos. The CNE did not agree to audit them, but it would be hard not to do it if the election is impugnada.

      • I don’t think he has a smoking gun at all, and as to impugnar the election, where, TSJ? Please.

        But just to be clear, to audit the cuadernos, which is pretty much the same thing as to audit the REP, that ain’t a smoking gun. A smoking gun is, IMO, something that would demonstrate, without shadow of a doubt, that the regime rigged 14A’s electoral results. That day, on the day.

        The REP has not been properly audited since 2005. If Capriles is banking his strategy on that (audit cuadernos), his own votes, and his own election, is at stake. And if he had a smoking gun, of the sort I’m thinking, he would have already revealed it, which he hasn’t…

  30. I am going to join sides with GAC and Viva Maduro. Lets properly, honestly,profoundly audit the election with international observers, in dignity. We Chavistas have nothing to hide, and a full and true audit (no chimba) will deeply humiliate the MUD camp.

  31. Kiko: this time you are “mea…fuera del perol”. Not to show yourself at the ring was the mistake when Ch got the entire congress!!
    It will be a miracle if this complaint goes all the way but it’s worth trying!!

  32. To continue on this glove no glove comparison, may be Capriles should trade his gloves for a gun.
    BTW, over time they have found that gloves that were supposed to protect fighters against major injuries are more lethal on the long run, especially for brain damage. So Capriles should keep pounding with his gloves, it should not be too hard since his opponent is already quite brain damaged. Imagine an asshole who whistle with twiddly birds and runs a campaign with a fake one on his hat. Priceless!

  33. Quico is close to breaking out of the matrix and accepting that this election was not procedurally any different to the last one.

    The readers are still overwhelmingly under the spell of the destabilization agenda, which Quico should be supporting if he wants rid of this government asap.

  34. I tell you something that Capriles won by fighting. After 10 years of living abroad this is the first time ever that all my Pro-izquierda Pro-chavez friends have been quiet and are actually wondering if what I have told them about Chavez and the Venezuelan situation is true. Ask anyone (con 4 dedos de frente) WHY they don’t do a complete audit, 99% will say to hide the cheating. Try to get that by taking off your gloves and staying in the locker room crying because the fight is gonna be unfair.

  35. 1. Capriles lost by an extremely controversial decision from evidently biased judges which was boo’ed by most of the crowd, NOT by KO.
    2. The problem with Capriles strategy is that there is no peaceful solution to this conflict. The gov’t knows it. That is why they keep playing his game. I think he is trying to delegitimize the government’s institutions by showing how biased and unfair they all are. This will probably destroy the chavista label of “democracy” and finally VZLA will be recognized as the dictatorship that it has been since 2004. However, it will not bring the castro’s down, and they will keep control of Venezuela as the people become more miserable and submit to their control machine.

  36. I get your point, but these types of posts are getting overly cynical of a guy trying to find a way in a political system that has disabled democratic mechanisms of accountability. The only possible response is to continue to find a way when you are representing half (or more than half) of the nation. Negligence in this political system would be appalling, too.

  37. The crux of the problem lies in that the CNE is NOT the arbiter for elections.

    By design, it should be only the administrator. This difference is key in understanding the systematic fraud elections in Venezuela have become.

    The arbiter, the one that validates the ESCRUTINIO is menat to be the miembros de mesa. By having the automated system developed in a way that miembros de mesa can not give faith that actual actas match the votes (they are asked to sign an acta de escrutinio blindly), the totalized results lack the required legitimacy.

    Electoral law in Venezuela clearly defines the CNE as an administrator, and not as a judge. Systematic appropriation of this faculty has semantically and practically allowed for the partisan CNE to violate the constitutional call for Free and fair elections.

    As for the post’s analogy, If Capriles’ impugnacion and proofs are not tight, the opposition risks loosing the bluff they have masterfully pull so far. Their strategy was surprising to chavismo who did not expect them to challenge results after accepting to go to this fight with much talk about condiciones electorales- this deceit has proved advantageous to Capriles camp- I hope they have thought things through this time.

    I insist using the 2005 Assembly elections example, without qualifying it, is a disservice. Public opinion forced oppo to bail out. Politicians had killed el tiger and where then afraid of the hide. Only 15% participation made a clear point to all to read, a clean indication of the inflated regime’s participation figures ever since.

  38. There is a learning experience in every election , each time we learn more about how the system is rigged , Every election we organize ourselves better to see through the formal fachade and detect the fraud. Anybody see El Universal’s article yesterday on the statistical review of the electoral data and what it shows, of all the unaccountable things that appear from the CNE data , It is very suggestive of how the electoral system was rigged . There was the film of Rodriguez posted here where he explained ( referring to the opposition primaria ) how the results could be rigged through the cuadernos . Evidence is not always ‘up front’ unequivocal , specially if you are dealing with dishonest desperate people , who have learned to disguise their tricks , sometimes you have to dig for it when you see a smoking gun , where you have clear indications that it has been committed or is highly likely to have been commited . We are dealing with a dishonest and totally partisan CNE . From past experience there can be no doubt of this. their only concern is (1) to let the regime partisans violate the rules without doing anything about it and (2) to rig the systems in ways that are not too obvious . This is what makes a good deep review of all the CNE data and records necessary . Specially where even the official results where so tight. Some talk about evidence as if it were a kind of superficial purely journalistic exercise , something you can dispense with through a press conference or two , they dont know what they are talking about . For proffessionals its something that always needs a lot of work . first you have to sift through thousand of ´denuncias’ , check each one, get each relevant witness to record its testimony . I think Quico is here trying to act the provocateur , to pusht us think harder of what we are really trying to achieve by denouncing the fraud . The idea as I surmise it is to use the gaps and breaks in the CNE figures and discordant behaviour to create a case that will unmask the Regimes dishonest and manipulative handling of election processes to the whole world . The impugnation is just the legal vehicle to do this even if its never allowed by a regime suppliant supreme tribunal or CNE . This is ongoing work , its probably being done by professionals not by ranting amateurs , weve probably only seen the surface , more and more will become known as we approach the impugnation date .

  39. Wouldn’t the analogy be closer to reality if the fight was very close, and the ungloved guy was declared the victor on points, but the gloved one and his supporters are convinced he outfought his opponent?

    When I started reading I was sure this is where the story was going :$

  40. What happened on April 14th was not a boxing match, it was an election match with very clear rules, those rules says that any of the candidates may request an audit of the complete process which includes “boletas, actas y cuadernos de votacion”. Why the referee wil not allow the audit as contemplated in the rules??

  41. Tibisay’s cadena has revealed the depth of lies and manipulation in the opposition’s demands. This is a media war more tan anything else and the opposition will seimply not accept the result even if jesus himself certified it.

    For reasonable people more tan 100 international observers in good enough. The opposition and the bloggers here (with the exception of GAC and myself) plus US and Canada are looking very isolated in their insistence.

    The refgusal to continue hitting pout at the CNE will simly undermine the opposition when tehy agree to participate in the muncipal electi0ons run by the CNE that somehow committed “fraud”.

    Ramos Allup will be very upset about this.

  42. A better sports analogy would be a 100 meter dash. Everyone knows the rules about the race and doping. You know you are running against a really doped runner. You know that by not running you will surely lose the race and your supporters, so you race. Against all odds you lose by 0.001 seconds. The referee, who is wearing an armband with the flag of your enemy, tells you they DO have the blood samples, and the doping analysis but they won’t let you take a look, because F*** all rules. If anyone or anything here is pathetic is the doped athlete, the referee, the athletes of the other countries cheering the doper because they will get free money from sponsorship deals, and this post.

  43. Well,

    I am in disagreement with most.

    Capriles knew he was going into an unfair fight and therefore will be judged by the foreign press accordingly.Why would I vote in an election I knew to be rigged? That would be accepting complicity with evil in m y opinion.

    Boycott, Boycott, boycott,
    with persistence persistence persistence is the only way in my opinion.

    • well, you don’t vote in Venezuelan elections, firepigette. And save for 7O, and perhaps one or two elections, over a decade ago, if at all, Quico doesn’t either.

      Meaning, moot point.

  44. The only boxers in this lame post are Quico, in the bantam-weight category, and his readers, as Quico once tries again to skirt around his earlier (no-hubo-fraude) arguments, the mounting realities to the contrary.

  45. Quico, I think there is a flaw in premise. Given your analogy, you are assuming that the end of the fight is when the winner is announced right after the knockout. I believe Capriles went in knowing that the chances of having his win being announced at that point were very slim, so he went in with a different premise: that the fight would go on long after that. My basis for thinking this is that he set up a structure for gathering and processing data that would only be useful for the fight that is still going on now.

    To continue to use your analogy, the bare-knuckled fight is on right now with Capriles wearing no gloves, and maduro not able to hit the knockout that convinces the majority that he won. In fact, with each passing day, more people are doubting maduro’s win.

    The knockout punch is yet to come…

  46. Listen Quico, forcing Maduro to cheat and collecting the evidence of the cheating is the way to go. It won’t have an immediate result which is frustrating but Capriles has played his cards amazingly well.
    He needs to continue undermining Maduro’s credibility by exposing the evidence he managed to collect.
    Remember Maduro no es Chavez…

  47. Quico i just cannot accept your “we lost,get over it, go back to life”.
    That’s exactly what we’ve been doing since 2004 or even earlier.

  48. PATHETIC is this post. I haven’t read any of the comments, but, to anyone but the blind, the Capriles case is NOT about the unfair electoral pre-conditions, in themselves gross fraud in any civilized country, but about the GROSS FRAUD commited in the electoral process itself, easily evident by a full audit of cuadernos/fingerprints/et. al. (not even to mention the crooked electoral registry). It’s easily-provable (my opinion, and any rational person’s, even one with only one eye/dedo de frente), by a normal qualitative audit (not by a cursory numerical audit, which Chavismo will not allow, since the fraud has been ongoing at least since the Referendum). What lengths to hold on to that $100 bill??!!???…..

  49. O están perdiendo la lupa, o tienen los lentes empañados. Desde hace un tiempo a esta parte, los escritos de Caracas Chronicles están muy desacertados, fuera de foco, un análisis confuso y con muy poca profundidad. Es lamentable: lamento que pierdan credibilidad, lamento leer este escrito que parece un panfleto, lamento que no dediquen tiempo y esfuerzo a intentar ir mas allá de los hechos visibles. Lamento todo

    • They lost their focus a long long time ago (ego got the place of brains). They scratch the surface, as anyone from a distance.

      I suppose the best way is to change the subject, and start “scribbling” about macramé or Flemish masterpieces… They know as much about that as they know about what’s going on in Venezuela.

      Here, there something in the air…

  50. The boxing gloves analogy is backwards. The purpose of boxing gloves is to protect the hands of the fighter doing the punching, and not the face/body of the fighter being punched. While boxing gloves do reduce superficial injuries (cuts, eyes poked, ears torn) because they are a larger, more uniform surface than a fist, the net effect is that heavier blows can be delivered to the opponent’s face without injuring one’s hand, meaning more brain damage/concussions/etc. Hard “knock-out blows” to the face are uncommon in bare-knuckle boxing, because they entail a large risk of breaking one’s hand (and so pose a big risk of losing the fight or even entire boxing career). This is similar to the padding in American football, which you will notice is concentrated on the areas used for hitting/tackling others (shoulders, head, upper chest) and not on the areas where others are likely to hit/tackle you (midsection and legs – padding there would be too bulky and leave the player unable to move effectively). Also generally true of hockey, although there is the additional factor of protection against hard, fast-moving pucks in that case (hence the goalie masks, etc.).

    So in an analogy wherein Capriles is wearing gloves and Maduro is bare-knuckled, Maduro would be at a disadvantage and would certainly not deliver a knock-out blow to Capriles’ face. He’d have to carefully avoid punching Capriles in the face lest he risk incapacitating his hands. Instead he’d be forced into a tactical defense where he tries to exhaust Capriles with body blows before Capriles can knock his head off. It would be a decisive advantage for Capriles – all he has to do is protect his body (Maduro can’t risk a real swing at his face) and then wait for opportunities to press his advantage (Maduro can’t leave his head open, but also needs to take less body blows than Capriles for his defensive tactic to pan out).

    So TV’s analogy of Maduro wearing gloves with horseshoes in them is much better. Alternatively, you could go with a scenario in which both sides show up to the ring wearing gloves, but the ref makes Capriles remove his to disadvantage him.

    • I’m not sure that your assessment of hockey equipment is correct – the best protected areas are the head/face, shin/knee, elbow, hand and groin areas which are not generally used for hitting (called “body checking”)- …but the bit about the gloves is brilliant!

      • You seem to be forgetting the shoulder pads and their application to shoulder checking (which is the most frequent type of checking, no?). The elbow and upper arm pads are also helpful there.

        But, yeah, the pucks flying around introduce entire other areas of padding that don’t apply in sports like boxing or football. Probably it was an unnecessary derail to even bring up hockey here…

  51. Wrong: Capriles was not knocked out. 250,000 votes is very far from being a knock out. That is the non-trivial detail you are ignoring. Capriles is right to question the results. Even if you don’t get a fair audit, you weaken their credibility internationally:

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