Leaders for Marea Socialista, the radical leftist splinter group where most of chavismo’s intellectuals seem to be seeking refuge following the virtual militarization of PSUV, are now contemplating the uncomtemplatable.

Llévatelo, Alexandra Ulmer:

“They’re destroying the revolution,” said Gonzalo Gomez, a Socialist Tide leader, in an interview, calling the opposition’s victory a “jolt” that requires policy change.

The opposition won a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly, as exhausted Venezuelans voted for relief from food shortages and salary-destroying inflation.

That has emboldened hardline opposition leaders who want to oust Maduro in a recall referendum next year.

Some on the disenchanted left are also pondering the same move if Maduro does not open debate within “Chavista” ranks and fails to reform.

“This is a possibility,” said Gomez of the referendum.

“But we’re not going to put forward a recall referendum just because it might be right and necessary, only if there are possibilities of generating change via the revolution. We’re not going to help the right grab control.”

I lost track…which of the Four Horsemen is this again?

19 COMMENTS

  1. I really do not understand what kind of ‘policy’ change a core/intellectual Chavista faction would be aching for. Maduro at one point in time could have (and brought up) the “reconciliation of the gas prices”, but never went through with it which was a key policy of El Comandante. I do not see how Maduro diverged from Chavismo significantly. It just straight up sounds like some serious internal turmoil, and finally that they are realizing that they better save the party and not the president.

  2. Considering the numbers of votes, that THEY are not going to help “the right” “grab” power is kinda ridiculous. No no, by all means, lets not let “the right” grab the power that 60% of the electorate gave them, instead, me and my cuatro gatos should get to decide on whats the strategy to prevent them to do it.

  3. At this point, the only real political power Maduro and Cabello have is to burn the house down. They can still order the radical colectivos and militias to create havoc, not to mention mass murder. This spasm of violence would be put down by the army, but it would take time and they would do much damage in the process. For Chavismo, this is the “nuclear option”. Managing the fall of Chavismo without allowing this is the real immediate challenge faced by the Opposition. If you think about it, it isn’t so different than the challenged faced by the West during the fall of the Soviet Union. In my mind, the more people and groups who peel away from the core group of radical Chavistas, the better.

  4. The Marea Socialista guys are a funny bunch. They set up a separate party, but all they really want is to be be called back by the PSUV. “Guys, come back home. We need your intellect to save la revolución. It was all a misunderstanding. Please, make us whole again”. They’re like a pathetic ex-girlfriend or boyfriend. It’s really fun to watch.

  5. Do you think Maduro leaving via Revocatorio could legitimate la “revolución” and ultimately Chavez as “democratic” ?

    I know that having elections doesn’t make a country democratic but all this el CNE no sirve “bla bla bla” las elecciones estan compradas “bla bla bla” actually didn’t happen (doesn’t mean they didn’t try).

    But what If Maduro wanted to save any sort of legacy from el comandante intergalactico (besides our current disaster), leaving the power through a mechanism created by Chavez himself could definitively help.

    Regardless of the government doing “lo que le da la gana” and using our constitution as toilet paper, leaving by popular vote could somehow act as a last minute miracle that would erase our really short memories and somehow change the way all this disaster will be remembered in the future.

    • Interesting idea. I fear there are two big obstacles though: (i) Chavismo’s lack of true democratic fiber and their repulsion at the thought of not being in power, (ii) the fear by the thugs and co that they will go to jail/be extradited, etc…

    • If they take Maduro out and get MG Chavez as candidate, they will get most of their votes back. She will continue the legacy of el comandante.

  6. Talking last night with my wife regarding this possibility, she’s against it and she has a point. The recovery process from the current economic crisis in Venezuela won’t happen overnight, if a comparison from the evolution of Europe from where they were after WW2 and where they are today is valid, it took GENERATIONS for them to reach the current stage.

    I’m not sure that the people who gave the MUD the victory is willing to accept that this long and painful process to order the country’s finances is needed.

    Maduro y su combo need to take ownership of the disaster, and recognize their inability to come up with a viable solution (other than blaming the ghosts of the Empire) then step down. A Revocatorio will get them off the hook too easily and will unfairly drain whoever takes over trying to start getting the economy on track.

    • I agree with you, the only way to fix this is to take some measurements that will for sure make people riot and go to the streets. I’m sure this is one the reasons why the government refuses to take some actions such as raising gas prices or unifying the exchange rate (besides their inability to do pretty much anything right).

      For that reason I think Maduro leaving now would be like Chavez dying. Chavez chose the perfect scapegoat, now most people think Maduro is to blame from all our problems. If Maduro leaves now, the next guy will be to blame too, and they might actually win some support back in a few years.

    • Yes. Whoever is in power going forward is going to be making some deeply unpopular decisions. Nobody stays popular doing the least really bad thing.

      • Point is that the new Assembly is walking in a minefield and needs to be extremely careful (they know that already). Long lasting solutions for the country unfortunately will involve summoning “El Coco” (aka IMF) and the death of Populism. It will need from whoever replaces Maduro a huge deal of political capital to push forward these measures without bringing another “Caracazo”. I hope that the new generation of Venezuelans in power hasn’t forgotten history.

        • I think this regime has known for some years about some key decisions that had to be made, and they evidently did not think – El Eterno himself did not think – he had the political capital to make them. Raising gas prices, for starters. That to me is a scary thing to contemplate, particularly when you consider that Chavez had unprecedented support, and when he did, oil was high, and there was so much more room to stretch out and mitigate the adverse effects of these decisions. So yes, El Coco will show up, and unless as you say people are not acutely concerned about their history, about their constituency, it will be the Open Veins of Latin America historical narrative that will unfold and capture peoples’ imaginations, all over again.

  7. It shall be fun to hear about their so-called “reforms”.

    1- new fixed price for the oil barrel: 200 dollars;
    2- minimum wage at 5,000 dollars;
    3- expropriation of what’s left of private property to give to the poor;
    4- more investment on health and education with the bigger oil revenue (see 1);
    5- mass distribution of cocaine to make all the prior points possible via collective hallucination.

  8. Please don’t dignify them by calling them intellectuals. Their sin wasn’t falling for Chavez’s ruse, it was waiting until the coffers were empty before sounding the alarm. Chavista intellectual is quite the oxymoron.

  9. For the stuff they’ve done, and those they always wanted to do, is why those miserable wretches of sucialista sewer have to be left to rot being the 3% of thieving lazy asses they always were, so they can only screech their madness from a plaza before getting a bucket full of water.

    I swear that if I found someone like giordani, navarro or this evans bastard, I would gladly smash their faces with a straight jab, just to scratch the damage they’ve done.

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    Por las cosas que han hecho, y por las que siempre quisieron hacer, es que a esos miserables desgraciados de la cloaca sucialista hay que dejarlos que se pudran siendo el 3% de los vagos ladrones que siempre fueron, para que sólo puedan gritar sus locuras desde una plaza antes que alguien les eche un tobazo de agua.

    Juro que si llegase a encontrarme con alguien como giordani, navarro o este bastardo del evans, con mucho gusto les partiría la cara de un puñetazo, sólo para dar una rascadita del daño que han hecho.

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