Put yourself in the shoes of Freddy Guevara.

You’re the elected Deputy Speaker of Venezuela’s Legislature. On Wednesday of this week, PSUV heavyweight Jorge Rodríguez publicly calls for your arrest before the National Electoral Council.

Hours later, a Prosecutor General imposed by force by an illegitimate body that took over your mandate goes on television and says his office will formally petition the Supreme Tribunal to strip you of your parliamentary immunity. The books say only the National Assembly can do that. But nobody bothers with the books.

Don’t just shrug it off. Stop. Actually try to imagine yourself in this position.

Later the same day, President Maduro, in a nationwide (cadena) broadcast, says he “fully supports the Prosecutor’s initiative” to go after you, and that you are guilty of “burning down the country” and “destroying the nation’s electoral system.”

And there you are, watching this on TV, helplessly, knowing there’s nothing you can do. Nothing. 

We’ve gotten so acclimated to injustice, we don’t even stop to grasp how fucked all of this is.

The next day, the Supreme Tribunal announces it will begin proceedings to strip your parliamentary immunity. Your lawyers are never notified of any filing by the Prosecutor; there isn’t even a pretense of due process.

On Friday, after you read on Twitter that Supreme Tribunal proceedings have finished and a ruling has been handed down, your lawyers scramble to Court only to find out that there wasn’t even a hearing, be denied access to your file, and to the crimes that you are being charged with. 

You have no say in any of this. 

Eventually, you learn —via a webpage— that you have been stripped of your parliamentary immunity, barred from traveling outside the country, and are to stand trial for “continued instigation of violence, criminal association and the use of adolescents to commit crimes,” but that you have already been found guilty of said crimes, according to the Court ruling. 

And that’s it. There is no charade anymore. The dictatorship doesn’t need to pretend. It’s you, against the entire repressive apparatus of a narco communist tyranny.

We’re all inured to this stuff, right?

On Saturday morning, as all this was happening, the regime released Yon Goicoechea from arbitrary detention at SEBIN’s HQ in El Helicoide, after taking away 15 months of his life that he will never get back. Just like that. For no specific reason. It’s not as though there’d been any judicial decision to change things yesterday: the state hadn’t even pretended to have an official case open against Yon for over a year.

We were all happy for Yon, of course — how could we not be? — but even in freeing him the chavista state revels in displaying its arbitrary power. They don’t release him for a reason. They release him, just because. Scratch that, just because they want to. Yon is not really free. You know that, right?

We’ve decided this is all normal. Because in Venezuela, words like “rights,” and “liberties,” long ago lost any semblance of meaning. We’ve learned to coexist with injustice, we’ve factored oppression into our daily lives, to the point where summoning the strength to be outraged by indignity is now considered an overreaction. 

So before you start pontificating all “Y todavía te sorprendes, mija?”, let all this sink in. Be glad that you’re not Freddy Guevara or Yon Goicoechea. Relish in the luxury you have of laughing about how ludicrous it is to point out due process violations in Venezuela.

53 COMMENTS

  1. To the IT team
    When I attempt to access CC with my proxy server set in the UK, I get a 403 forbidden notice.
    I switched to the US and have no problem.

  2. Superb article !! It brings down home the basic reality of a tyrannical regime in all its crude, coarse cruelty and senselesness ……….and how it installs itself in our lives as something normal , that we just take for granted so we are robbed of the capacity to inspire ourselves to fight it …

    Kudos Emilia , wish I didnt have to congratulate you for writing this kind of article , next article: how do you resist the emmasculating effects of this kind of tyranycal behaviour ……!!

  3. As long as there is no organized. sustained resistance to the regime and all of its illegal activities, including the horrendous human rights violations, the regime will continue to persecute the voices of opposition individually or in small groups. This will also discourage future opposition voices that fear the same fate.
    I am hoping for a credit default.
    It seems that the only thing the regime fears is pissing of their creditors. The investment bankers make very large political contributions and have much influence in Washington.
    Is it possible that the regime fears that a default may trigger actions against them that nothing else seems to be able to do?
    Famine and starvation are historically one of the most destabilizing events a government in power can face.
    The regime has chosen to allow the people starve and die due to lack of critical medical infrastructure in order to stave off an inevitable default.
    Perhaps the regime fears that once they default on the debt, that these influential bankers will begin to whisper in the ears of powerful politicians or media moguls.
    The internet may have diminished the influence of the mainstream media, but the media still wields great influence. A couple weeks of Venezuelan suffering and human rights abuses being in the headlines can create a groundswell of support for US intervention. My personal opinion is that the Liberal bias of the media in general has impeded the reporting and the rallying for action to rescue the Venezuelan people.
    As long as the debt is being serviced, the bondholders have a reason to support the status quo.
    Should a default occur, they may support a change in government in order to get the debt restructured and to resume collecting their money.
    For whatever reason, the only line that the regime will not cross is default.
    The people be damned.

    • “Famine and starvation are historically one of the most destabilizing events a government in power can face.”

      Not here buddy. Famine and starvation get ya 54% of the vote in nationwide “elections”. I’m thinking if we can add major outbreaks of malaria and cholera, we can push that approval up to the 60% range. Worth a try.

      • And don’t think for a minute that Trump is going to send in the Marines.

        Until the AN (or what’s left of it) and their outcast Supreme Court issue a legal decree, we plan to keep our powder dry.

        MRubio is right, “we are not there, yet”

        • “And don’t think for a minute that Trump is going to send in the Marines.”

          He won’t do so because the trillionaire castrocuban lobby, which has the international opinion that “the poor lefties are victims of the mean capitalists”

          So yeah, MUD once again proved to be the best ally for chavismo.

  4. “My personal opinion is that the Liberal bias of the media in general has impeded the reporting and the rallying for action to rescue”

    Here in the U.S. we relatively very little about left wing dictatorships but when a right wing dictatorship emerges the alarm bell rings. The students march in our big cities, the major newspapers cover each injustice and issue numerous editorials and in our congress committees search for complicity. If you promise free heath care and free education you are immunized and left free to strip every democratic right from your people: compare Cuba with Chile. It is a great misfortune of yours to have a left wing dictatorship….

      • Its not so much he is “right wing” as that he suffers from foot in mouth disease.

        Just take the times he has opened his mouth to say, like Chavez did for Judge Afiuni, that a person should be in jail. Never mind who he has said it about, just think that saying this as President he undermines any effort by the DOJ to successfully prosecute people like the asshole that ran over 8 people in NYC or Hillary Clinton.

        You may welcome a guy as a “no holds barred, straight shooter”, but to be President of the USA it does require knowing when to speak, and what to say. As far as that goes, Trump is failing miserably.

        Frankly, I don’t see any will left in Venezuela to remove this narco regime by any means. This will now only come by outside intervention. For that to happen it’s going to take a consensus that right now does not seem to have sufficient traction.

        • “You may welcome a guy as a “no holds barred, straight shooter”, but to be President of the USA it does require knowing when to speak, and what to say. As far as that goes, Trump is failing miserably.”

          His Orangeness can exhibit all the buffoonery in the world for all I care as long as he keeps reshaping America’s judiciary and nominating people like Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. The decisions of those nominees will be paying dividends long after Trump is no longer on this earth.

        • The very next time someone runs for president, with the political outlook of a Donald and the eloquence of a Winston Churchill, I will definitely vote for the guy.

        • The U.S. finally has a president who says what he means, and people have a problem with this?

          Actually Robert, people don’t like what he’s SAYING, and you’ve joined the smokescreen bandwagon who are trying to invent a flaw in his “communications style” as a way to inavalidate his communications.

          “If he would just speak line this, we would defend his right to hold these positions. That’s Democracy.”

          But you know that’s not true. The left will always find flaw in Center Right philosophy.

          • I believe you can say what you want to say and do so in a way that does not require insults.

            Being the loudest and shrillest does not prove a point, does it?

            I like how Trump has changed policy vis a vis Venezuela, well actually there now IS a policy.

            Do you think he did us any favors
            when he stated that the military option was on the table? I don’t.

            I think he’s the kind of person that NEEDS to see himself in the spotlight every day. If not then it wasn’t a good day. This works fine if you’re the CEO of Miss Universe, not so much as POTUS.

            Perhaps for you and others the form, not the content, is more important.

            For me it’s BOTH.

          • Plato spoke of what is known as “The Allegory of the Cave”. It’s about men so accustomed to prison, seeing merely shadows of the free world. When given their freedom, they’re shocked, confused, and beg to be let back into the world they know: their prison.

            This disease of socialism is world-wide. U.S. President Carter monitored elections in Venezuela and gave them a green light, way back when, and Chavez ruled. Carter is left-wing, a socialist type.

            Now President Trump is speaking loudly and truthfully. For example, mainstream news in the U.S is indeed fake – in many ways.

            Those accustomed to the socialist “softness”, ignoring facts, keeping up a constant stream of protests against success, are living in their prison. Given the freedom Trump is shouting out loud and clear, the former prisoners are shocked and confused.

            I have news for everyone: President Trump is not the most powerful man on the planet, is not the loudest voice, does not speak the greatest truth, and does not offer the greatest freedom. He is, however, one man who does shout aloud for freedom. I would be very very wary of stepping too far with criticism and petty fault-finding in men who offer you real freedom you may have forgotten, or never believed could exist.

            The people who are squealing rabid insanities are those most opposed to Trump. They are the “lifers” in Plato’s allegory. They hate the light of day, and they despise freedom for anyone. They are the one’s who think that with their torches and pitchforks in their overly-vociferous mob, are going to storm the castle. They are the ones going on witch-hunts. And they are the ones who should be roundly “criticized”, their lies called out, because they are fake: they are rioting prisoners who want everyone in prison and are willing to break all laws to turn the entire world into a slaughterhouse.

            Anyone can tell a thousand lies, but there is only one truth.

      • “And when the USA elects a right-wing president, the whole world goes absolutely bananas!”

        Yes, because it’s a ideological problem, it’s doesn’t matter how much Trump improves the economy, if the US achieves record-high tourism related revenues, if unemployment falls to rarely seen before rates. Trump is right-wing, and we are left-wing, thus we will be against him until the end of times. Ideologies blind us. To the point that Maduro is so bad that he no longer can be left-wing, so we say that he’s like Trump (right-wing).

        The exile of Freddy Guevara is a by-product of such rationale.

        Sites like CC has always given the benefit of the doubt to Chavistas, and they do that because deep inside they see themselves in the Chavistas, they have all voted for Chavez once or twice, they are all self-declared leftists, they see their dreams of a fairer society in populist policies, be it in Venezuela or elsewhere, they feel empathy for those people, even if not openly said (what is not even the case most of times), a feeling that they can’t nurture for people like Trump (a tyrant that should be deposed by guns, impeachment, anything in reach).

        Venezuela is not in such state by accident, the Northern portion of my country (not coincidentally sharing a border with Venezuela) has this same mentality, everyone is a Torrealba, an Allup, a Quico. If they were a single country, they would be in an even worse state than Venezuela by now. It’s a cultural problem. Until CC, Torrealba, Allup remain calling the shots, the opposition will remain ‘occupying spaces’ in jail and in Chilean embassies, very sadly.

        In short, if Venezuelans want to ever get out of this, they will have to throw their ideology/ideologues in the trash bin first.

        • Socialist ideology has been a failure throughout the world.
          For some reason people keep right on believing that there is a free lunch.
          The people of Venezuela traded their freedom for free food.
          Now their freedom is gone and so is the food.
          I am bewildered at the overall response by the Venezuelan people to the complete destruction of their standard of living and the Venezuelan society as a whole.
          The majority seem to have just decided to make the best of an ever deteriorating situation. How people have not rioted and opposed this regime with every ounce of their energy is beyond me. I just can’t wrap my head around it.

          • The vast majority of 130 dead were students.
            Where are the Venezuelan men that should be protecting and providing for their children?
            The protests built up to an almost fever pitch, the ANC was passed and everything died down.
            The regime couldn’t quiet the protests with bullets and tear gas.
            A fraudulent vote created an illegal assembly and everyone seemed to accept it.
            The opposition politicians betray the people by participating in another fraudulent vote and the people are quiet.
            In the meantime the economic conditions deteriorate and the access to food and medicines gets worse.
            This is what I can’t wrap my head around. No men fighting for their children and families. Accepting fraudulent votes and becoming quieter as conditions continue to deteriorate.
            It would have been great to see 100,000 people out on the street between the SEBIN and Freddy Guevara and his family. Showing the regime that they could not jail and persecute people with impunity.
            Instead it is just another rotten day for the people of Venezuela.

          • It was more than just students getting gassed and shot at, John, but yes, the students were at the front line and suffered the most.

            Protests were larger on weekends when most didn’t have to work.

            I do not disagree with your reply, I do wish things had turned out differently.

            But when what passes for the opposition leadership betrayed the protest by deciding to run in the governor elections that just took the wind out of their sails.

            I have spoken to many friends and relatives there about this and invariably get: “you’re not here, you don’t understand what it’s like” answers.

            It’s hard then for me to tell them to continue when I am not allowed to travel there and lend support in person.

          • “But when what passes for the opposition leadership betrayed the protest by deciding to run in the governor elections that just took the wind out of their sails.”

            Sorry Robert, but we’ve been told by someone with a PhD in protesting, that that’s just not true. I don’t know what the truth is according to the expert, because he won’t tell us, but that’s what I’ve gathered so far combing through the personal insults.

          • Why?

            It’s like the “election”. Everyone knows it was a fraud, but they’d rather pussyfoot around and avoid calling a spade a spade. I don’t understand it.

          • I can’t answer for the PhD in protesting, but I suspect it might have to do with access to information going away.

            I would also posit that while CC is considered to be a source of information for many decision makers outside Venezuela, it is just that, one source.

            It has become pretty clear to decision makers in The West the nature of the regime, as opposed to 2013 say. There was a lot of “no vale, no lo creo” going on.

            Today it’s a different story.

            And while for years it has been clear to many that there is not a shred of honesty in the CNE, without a smoking gun there was little that foreign governments could do when crafting policy towards Venezuela. Governments do not publicly change positions based on statistical anomalies or on non verifiable( to them) testimony. Their threshold for action is not the same as yours or mine.

            Couple that with opposition leaders that continue to believe that elections are the way forward and you get what we got.

            Now we see that even though the MUD, or what’s left of it, still has their heads up their arses about this the opinion outside is to try to effect change in spite of the MUD and not because of it.

  5. “Because in Venezuela, words like “rights,” and “liberties,” long ago lost any semblance of meaning.”

    i’d add “elections” to that list.

  6. If we believe that this regime is still capable of winning elections fair and square ( which I very much doubt) , then there are too many Venezuelans who are masochists and easy prey to stupid delusions …….One can understand that many of them dont prize modern civic liberties all that much , but to also ignore the horrid life conditions that now prevail is something that defies understanding this side of a pathological character.

    If thats the case then rather than fighting for a restoration of democracy sane people should strive to set up a dictatorship that at least offers venezuelans a reasonable chance of achieving better life conditions , a system that even if lacking in full democratic credentials at least fulfills the normal demands for improved living conditions for the maximum number…..!!

    • It is hard to believe that living in Communist China would be an improvement to living in Venezuela.
      I don’t know how you would force the dictatorship to backtrack on any policies.
      So far they haven’t kept any promises that they made in previous negotiations.
      Regardless of the official government policies, the rampant corruption throughout the military and the government would make executing any new government policies that are designed to alleviate the suffering of the citizenry almost impossible.
      As long as the corrupt generals have control of the ports and most sectors of the economy, they will continue to enrich themselves at the expense of the people.

    • So the state can nab people and throw them in jail any time, for no legitimate reason, and hold them indefinitely, so long as the economy is functional. That’s the model in China. That’s what normalization of human rights abuse looks like. People rarely talk about Chinazuela. Because there’s lots of money to be made in China.

      I do think that that’s what some people either hope for or simply expect will happen in Venezuela. An authoritarian regime that is good for the economy. Which indicates it’s not the lack of democracy and democratic institutions that is really the thing that offends them about Chavismo.

      The Chinese regime will tell us that Western style democracy, including our legal institutions, and our obsession with individual rights, is an inferior model. And it helps with that argument that we don’t know knows the names and horrific circumstances of people like the ones mentioned in this post.

      • China has modelled itself on Singapore , except that having no democratic traditions or even rule of law traditions they stick to the highly authoritarian model of rule that they think best suits their national character and circumstances. Singapore itself is modelled on the meritocratic model of state rule which succesfully ran china for hundreds of years , the mandarinate….. !! They know from their historical past that having a state that is functional and brings a better life to most people is a fair trade for the absence of civic liberties and rule of law.which they may not be equiped to achieve anyway.

        This is all explained by Francis Fukuyama in his most recent books on the historical political order throughout the world .

        When Fukuyama visited Venezuela some years ago he was asked what might happen if the Chavez regime could not be disloged, his answer was ‘if you are lucky then maybe you might evolve towards something like the chinese model …….!! or words to that effect ……

        • How do we know when an authoritarian regime fits the ‘national character’ or not?

          I know a lot of people from Hong Kong and Taiwan as well as mainland China who seem not to fit with the ‘national character’…

          • “How do we know when an authoritarian regime fits the ‘national character’ or not?”

            Based on the last couple of decades, I’m beginning to wonder if an authoritarian regime fits the national character here. It’s appears that as long as the “inexpensive” clap bag arrives, they’ll turn out to vote for the privilege of being ruled by this regime.

            Obviously there are always people who seem not to fit with the “national character”, but they’ve been steadily leaving on their own or forced out for fear of repraisals for their beliefs. That, and to find something to eat.

          • For Fukuyama a well run country needs three things ,a State that functions , that does its job , a Rule of Law to keep the state from abusing its authority , and democratic institutions that hold those heading a govt accountable for their failures and mistakes….

            These three things dont just happen , they each rise from specific historical cultural circumstances , the West profited from circumstances which allowed all three to function together but China did not …for many years they has a meritocratic system for organizing the state that WORKED (Mandarin Rule) , but lacked the traditions and circumstances that allowed a rule of law or democratic institutions to develop , thus the system we now see in Singapore and China , a state that works but doesnt offer quite the rule of law protection or fully democratic institutions that the most advanced western countries enjoy.

            In Venezuela we once had a state that was semifunctional (not as dysfunctonal as our current one) , a half fledge rule of law and democratic institutions that basically worked even if marred by quite a few flaws.

            Now democratic isntitutions have brought as a regime that neither functions as a state, that in fact has destroyed our economy , that has totally destroyed the rule of law and which has corrupted democratic isntitutions so that they have ceased to operate to be replaced by a tyranny.

            We tend to believe that all the flaws lie in our failure to establish a lasting political system of democracy , but fail to see how democracy is not equipped in our circumstances to automatically produce a functional state nor a sattisfactory rule of law……

            In short democracy is not enough , we need to develop working institutions that allow for the development of a meritocratic state that works and a rule of law that really protects society from an abusive state or political forces that are capable of using democracy to advance their own private agenda. for hegemonic political dominance .

          • “Now democratic isntitutions have brought as a regime that neither functions as a state, that in fact has destroyed our economy , that has totally destroyed the rule of law and which has corrupted democratic isntitutions so that they have ceased to operate to be replaced by a tyranny.”

            Bill, I’d disagree that responsibility for chavismo lies with democracy and democratic institutions. That’s in fact the line that chavismo has been feeding us all these years, as it systematically eliminated those institutions.

            Venezuela has a special problem, which is geological. It has a vast abundance of riches, and with it, comes the ability of a small group of people to control the exploitation of those riches, and to use those resources to undermine the democratic process. Despite that, Venezuela had been quite successful in developing a well educated middle class, but the shock of an oil price downturn was more than the (as you say) flawed system could take in the face of a motivated demagogue. Anyway, I won’t lecture you on Venezuela, you know far more than I do, but that’s my two cents.

            Also, I’d dispute that China has a meritocratic system. The system in China would be familiar to any Venezuelan, and in a bad way. It functions under a heavily corrupt state capitalist model. To the extent that Mao failed to eliminate all expertise and experience in his country at the barrel of a gun, today, Mr. Capable is always defeated under a corrupt crony system by Mr. Ten Percent. What keeps things stable, for now, is tight control of information and positive growth. Historically, we know those two things do not last forever.

        • I’ve been a proponent of a more balanced approach between these two extremes, In one end, mob rule (Democracy) and in the other end one-man rule(Dictatorship). A more rational political system that still allow for a large degree of self-determination and freedoms would be a model that demands higher and strict qualifications for candidates to political positions, just like any other professions that are mission critical and on the other hand abolish Universal Suffrage (aka Ignorance Universal) and replace it with Voter’s Licenses to reduce the effects of rabid populism and manipulations from political parties that are causing so much damage to many Democracies around the world.

          Indisputable Fact: The average citizen has no interest or doesn’t know remotely enough about politics to vote for competent politicians let alone understand the complex issues at depth, and that has been the big flaw of 20th and 21st Century Democracies.

  7. People need to ACT more and BITCH less about the situation and that includes this blog.
    For instance, in the USA there is a White House petition for a military intervention in Venezuela, yet there is not a single word about that in this blog or anywhere and consequently the petition is barely 1% of needed firms.
    Also, there are new emerging groups in the opposition that are apolitical like “Soy Venezuela” but CC and the Social Networks seem to be too busy talking about Maduro’s empanada instead.

    As long as the opposition remains as a spectator to this horror, the Chavistas will continue in power for the foreseeable future.

    For those living in the USA interested in signing the petition it can be found at this link.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/us-should-lead-military-action-depose-maduro-narco-dictatorship-and-reestablish-democracy-venezuela-asap

    • No use signing it when the opposition leaders have told us gringos to stay the hell out.

      The AN will not even offer a resolution to ask gringos for help!!!

      Stop saying the USA needs to fix this for you.Bush and Obama gave “fixed” enough on there own. Be it Iraq, Syria, Libya, …. Etc.

      I see an all out embargo and old fashioned blockade before troops on the ground.

      • Mitchell – Money & guns. The hard part is trying to target the money without wiping out the population (which not the target). The regime’s guns will be the last to be starved of money.

        As far as “invading” … we “invaded” long ago, probably beginning 1940’s, and had gotten it around to the point where we had kids and potted plants and household pets. We could freely walk the streets. What better success with an “invasion” than that? Heck, we had friends there, did business, built lives, spoke Spanish como pa’ sel Calaqueno, indicated direction pursing our lips … ‘so queda pa’ ya (turn head, purse lips). Then we were asked to leave. So we left. Now they want us back? C’mon ….

        It has occurred to me – a little late – that maybe Alfonso had it all right, all along, from the very beginning, and Venezuela would have been overall happier and better off left alone as a second world country. If the oil companies had indeed simply pilfered and pillaged, stolen everything from the ground and left nothing of significance to the country as a whole – as they were loudly accused of doing – maybe the Devil’s excrement never would have spread, and Venezuela would still be a relatively peaceful second world country. Heck of a lot better than a third world country it has become.

        But no … we had to be fair, and so Venezuela became incredibly wealthy, built skyscrapers, super highways, enormous dams, and partied like today would never come. And the rest is basically history, with the socialists cum dictators who did NOT play fair, and took everything while intentionally turning the country into a wasteland.

  8. In been a hundred years since Kafka wrote “The Trial”. Emi does fine job showing that Kafka’s writing are still so appropriate, except Mad Ernie and his associates don’t try hide. But in the end Josef K., gets stabbed in the heart, like everybody else in Venezuela.

  9. “Relish in the luxury you have of laughing about how ludicrous it is to point out due process violations in Venezuela.”

    Until your voice reaches a certain amount of people and the dictatorship deems you as a threat.

    Yeah, we have so MUCH FREEDOM OF SPEECH, yeah, SURE.

  10. Some great posts here.

    But I tend to avoid comparing the China system to other countries, even in Wild predictions, mainly because of such stark cultural and population differences.

    One size never fits all.

  11. I sure Freddy Guevara considered it “Normalized Depression” through.

    But he can “blow coke” with Mad Ernie and Tareck El-Aissami to treat it

  12. Emi – Great piece. Very well written, plain facts, easily seen and verified. And you opened up great discussions in the comments.

  13. Yes, Emi, a really well-written insightful piece, which provoked great wide-ranging Comments. Much more injustice/violation of individual liberties/freedom of speech is in the works, with the appointment as Communications Minister of JR, by far the most insidiously malicious/evil of the Regime, who likely will soon go after/perhaps randomly jail those who openly criticize the Regime in public media, including in the internet….

  14. Unfortunately, Guevara let the “old foxes” of politics drag him into the nothingness that is now the Venezuelan opposition. He as well as the whole opposition had some power to fight back some 20 months ago. They decided not to use it and play “Despacito”, that is, beating a tyranny without being confrontational.
    In many ways, he and all the politicians that will be jailed in the next few months had it coming and even deserve what will happen to them.
    “You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.” Churchill.

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