Roy Chaderton joins the looney bin

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Straight-jacket? For moi?
Straight-jacket? For moi?

In the last couple of weeks, it has become increasingly clear that the Maduro campaign has bought a one-way ticket on the Mental Express. In spite of this, a few chavista figureheads have stopped short of endorsing the campaign’s unabashed lunacy.

Enter Roy Chaderton, Venezuela’s Ambassador to the OAS and a powerful figure of the Fifth (and Fourth) Republic. Today, Ambassador Chaderton warns of the unfair advantages … of the opposition!

Yes, you heard that right. It turns out that we, the zero-media-access, zero-money opposition – we are the ones that have an unfair advantage, thanks to our (ahem) control of the media dictatorship and our (double ahem) support from large corporations.

Clearly, chavismo feels that the election is over, and it might well be. As of now, the game they are playing has a lot to do with getting in line, and parroting mantras. They have to dance to the music emanating from Miraflores, and right now, the music is eerily similar to the one that came out of Nero’s fiddle. So chavistas looking to keep their perks have no option … but to dance.

Good for them, I guess. Still, I don’t know how Chaderton can show his face in the diplomatic circles he so clearly relishes in. Acting crazy may work in Caracas, not so much in Washington cocktail parties.

Then again, as long as there are petro-dollars, diplomats the world over will continue paying lip service to him … while they snicker behind his back.

1 COMMENT

  1. “Clearly, chavismo feels that the election is over, and it might well be. As of now, the game they are playing has a lot to do with getting in line, and parroting mantras. They have to dance to the music emanating from Miraflores, and right now, the music is eerily similar to the one that came out of Nero’s fiddle. So chavistas looking to keep their perks have no option … but to dance”. You wrote it, express it perfectly…

  2. Even though I agree with the fundamental diagnostic that you make: Maduristas (sic) are crazy! I think the Capriles campaign will be making a mistake if they go after this as a core campaign theme. In a way I have the feeling that we’ve been down this path before: when Chavez came to power and the opposition treated him like a mad man for talking about “gallineros verticales” and his singing and “bush is a donkey” and all that nonsense.

    I hope Capriles keeps the focus primarily on the message that he can make things better for Venezuelans (improve security, fix food shortages, etc etc) and leaves the snarky comments of ‘pajaritos’ that visit Maduro as mere soundbites. Let’s not fall in the trap of taking this campaign to the emotional territory where they want to play, or else Maduro will have a much easier time come election day.

    • Depends on what the goal of the campaign is. It seems to me this campaign shouldn’t be about winning (we can’t do that) but about telling the truth.

      • Ok, it is impossible (maybe I should say very hard as there is always opportunity in life) to win – but the goal of the campaign should be about maximizing the number of opposition votes, I think this will leave the opposition in stronger footing for what is to come: other elections (local, asamblea, etc), a split in chavismo, who knows! If you make it about telling the truth (are we going to privatize state-owned companies, change the labor laws or whatever it is the opposition HAS to do if it comes to power) then the opposition will be lucky to get 35% of the vote at most — and that I think will be worse in the long run for the MUD

        • I think what you do is tell the truth about what Maduro is going to do. ANy time you talk about yourself and about what you would do, you’re wasting an opportunity. This navel-gazing is going to be our doom. The election is about Maduro, and only about Maduro.

          • This is hilarious. So opposition forces, who have lost election after election for 14 years now, think that “navel-gazing is going to be our doom”.

            Rational people, when confronted with repeated failure, would usually engage in a bit of self-contemplation and perhaps, I dunno, change their approach??

            But nah!! JC’s brilliant idea is to reject any self-contemplation, and just continue on with the same failed approach!! Brilliant. Only the Venezuelan opposition could be this inept.

          • GAC I dont know any thing about Capriles electoral strategies , I have some indication that quite a bit of self examination and thought has gone into what needs to be done , the proof is all arround you if you cared to look , I do distinctly remember however the Chavez who campaigned for president the first time , and his speeches during the first years of his presidency and it was totally opposite in spirit and content to what it later became , he clearly sought to decieve people and was quite adept at it to judge from what later became his discourse , there is a saying in spanish that “cada ladron juzga segun su condicion” , maybe your suggestion that Capriles campaign inmmitate that of the admired dear departed master is a sign of your own admiration for such electoral tactics .

        • I work in finance. Even if the opposition won, I doubt anything could be privatised, not with the prospect of Chavismo making an immediate come back. Or if things were privatised believe me they would fetch such low multiples that it would be negligent to push for privatisations. I think if the oppo won they would be best advided to try to learn how to create efficient public corporations. The Swedes manage to do it, and so did we once (recall the old PDVSA?)

  3. Inasfar as some are seemingly bent on digging, come what may, as it were, it behoves the adversary to provide a larger shovel. Only this morning, I heard birdsong and somebody immediately said, “Carefull there! You never know who it might be!”

  4. Chaderton es un jala bola cronico. Empezo con el Dr. Calvani, luego Caldera, CAP, Chavez, ahora Maduro. No debe conocer el dicho enb latin que dice “Jalation ma non guindation”

      • That’s because JVR has ice in his veins. His calculations are cold and rational and he never reveals even a flicker of emotion (perhaps because he’s had them surgically removed?). Chaderton, unfortunately for him and those around him, oozes venom and resentment. He has a chip on his shoulder the size of Pico Bolivar and it must cause him considerable pain, judging by the way his face is becoming steadily more contorted into a rictus of bitterness. He is not a well man.

        • JVR is one of the -if not the most- Oportunistic, Two-faced, unlikable politicians ever to blight the venezuelan political landscape.

          • Years ago before JVR entered Chavez in government he would irresposibly denounce all kind of purported corruptions in the press : People who had had dealings with him told me there where two ways of shutting him up . One you went to him with evidence that his alleged facts were wrong in which case he would shut up but never say anything public about being wrong !! The second way was to hire his sculptor wife for a certain dollar amount to sculpt a piece for you , then he would shut up without bothering with explanations .

  5. Chaderton is one of the epic survivors from the Fourth Republic that joined the Chavismo when he saw the opportunity to steal more and with total immunity. A visionary.

  6. You assume that the people who Chaderton was talking to would

    1. Be rational, critical thinkers
    2. Know anything about the current presidential campaign in Venezuela.

    When the Honduran Zelaya fiasco occurred, many loud voices echoed outright lies from propaganda sources as truth, and they are now, years later, the official truth in the minds of millions who trusted them.

  7. The US spy agencies said of Hitler:

    “His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

    • Jesus H Montgomerry Christ, those guys see conspiraces everywhere, ahora resulta que la forma de agarrar un chocolate es un mensaje subliminal a favor de Capriles.

  8. All these outrageous statements and nonsense about Maduro’s birdie and whatnot are obviously a diversion. It reminds me of fictional GOP VP candidate, Gov. Dunston in 30 Rock:
    “Republican lobbyist Cooter Burger encourages Jack to make more sketches about Dunston, as they portray Dunston as lovable buffoon rather than the ultra-conservative that he actually is”

    Much like the GOP with fictional Gov. Dunston, chavismo throws outrageous statements left and right to distract from the real issues: devaluation, scarcity, crime, blackouts. People have wasted a day talking about the bird. Given that the campaign only last 10 days, it’s obvious who benefits the most from this…

    • Hmmmm…. maybe. On the other hand, convincing the public at large that your candidate is several pork pies short of a picnic and may at any moment fall to his knees, eyes rolling and start speaking in tongues may have a down-side too.

    • I agree, and this business with the bird, despite the interpretation as pseudo religious babble, I think is just making fun of the opposition, by saying, paraphrased: “un pajarito me dijo que vamos a ganar la eleccion”. That is what it really boils down to. Filling the airwaves with nonsense. It’s all circus.

    • Probably just illustrates the fact that Maduro is awfully ineffective when it comes to delivering a joke. See any video where he promotes his new dance move.

  9. My cousin is married to a DSS (Diplomatic Security Service) who was actually stationed in Caracas for a few years (2005-8).

    Basically, they really don’t pay any attention to what Chavista officials say. They just know that it is all for a domestic audience. As long as the flow of oil keeps coming to those refineries in the Gulf, the USA is on cruise control. Obviously, they would prefer someone who didn’t pick the USA as its Emmanual Goldstein, or a government whose officials and generals aren’t so heavily involved in narco trafficking, or a government who cared about human rights, but there isn’t any real concern.

    So Maduro can accuse USA of sabotage, or murder, or whatever, but it’s just noise. Nothing changes. Keep the oil flowing. Away from the cameras, there is little or no animosity towards USA diplomats.

    The diplomatic security staff in Venezuela’s worry is chiefly from kidnappers and the sort, same as anyone else in the country.

    • Right Rory, US officials prefer “a government who cares about human rights”. What planet did you just arrive from?

      You must mean that the US would prefer to have their buddy Posada Carriles back in charge of DISIP, right? Yep, THOSE were the days when the government cared about human rights!!

      • Thanks God we have now a revolutionary government that cares for human rights.
        And that is why the among the great leaders of the Bolivarian revolution we have people like

        a) Rodríguez Chacín (founder of Comando Específico José Antonio Páez, involved in preparations for the Masacre del Amparo, unfortunately wounded when going to the final shotdown, a revolutionary landowner)
        b) Róger Cordero Lara, involved in the massacre of Cantaura
        and
        c) Freddy Bernal (do I need to say what he was doing?)

        That’s why murders in Venezuelan prisons have gone from less than 400 in 1998
        to 591 last year and the murder rate in the country of Chávez and Bolívar went from 19 to 65 x 100 000.
        And that is the reason why Chavismo has done so much about the murder of hundreds of Venezuelan farmers.
        And that is why the Bolivarian revolution has been so thorough in its investigation of the Caracazo. Most victims were killed in Northern Venezuela, in urban areas, and they had family but somehow there is no list of missing, the government hasn’t allowed for an independent investigation…just the mythical figure “up to 5000” (yeah, go to Wikipedia but no references to where they got the estimate, just “fosas comunes con más de 200 personas en total”)

        But let’s talk about the USA in a blog about Venezuela.
        I am sure whenever GAC has a problem with his family and they tell him they need to talk he says: no, let’s talk first about the US administration and how it’s killing innocent in Afghanistan and in Pakhistan…hell, in every country, you-fools! You proved my point, hahaha!

        • This is unreal. In criticizing this government’s track record on human rights, Eucarionte mentions their failure to “allow for an independent investigation” into the Caracazo…. you know, the Caracazo, that insanely brutal slaughter and disappearance of hundreds of people in Caracas perpetrated by a pre-Chavez government.

          This is Eucarionte’s example of how the human rights situation has worsened!!!

          • It’s “your” genius. Your inability to understand basic grammar might be a sign that you are lacking in brain capacity. Grow some today!

          • You don’t get it, do you? CAP & Allegro didn’t killed those people single-handedly. Most of the perpetrators were military and most of them close to Chávez. Just like Rodríguez Chacín and Róger Cordero Lara now have the chuzpah to declare themselves revolutionaries and foes of the IV Republic…although they were from the worst that time produced.

          • Oh, you’re right Eucarionte. CAP didn’t actually shoot the guns that killed the people, therefore he shouldn’t be blamed for sending the military into the streets to shoot them.

            Is it really possible that you people are this stupid?

          • Not to mention that you have no proof that these chavista officials were involved in the Caracazo. Just baseless, empty accusations.

          • Sure…no proof, just like there is no proof Rodríguez Chacín and Róger Cordero Lara were committing attrocities in the IV Republic…they were not there, no…you are just going to ignore what they had been doing for years.
            Whatever, we both agree CAP and Italo del Valle Alliegro were culprits. So: they armed the little soldiers, right? They went the soldiers and gave them the rifles?
            And which soldiers were these?
            And now Felipe Antonio Acosta Carles died “por una bala perdida”.
            Anyway: why is the Chávez government so reluctant to investigate?
            Do you think Róger Cordero should lead the commission? He knows how to shoot. Or Rodríguez Chacín? Or Bernal?

          • Eucarionte,

            Even if you could prove your accusations, it is completely absurd to pretend that because this government has a couple officials who are allegedly guilty of past human rights abuses, that it makes it comparable to previous governments who actually COMMITTED those human rights abuses which these officials are accused of.

            This is so utterly obvious that it shouldn’t even need to be pointed out.

          • The fact that abuses like the Caracazo, Masacre de El Amparo, Masacre de Cantaro, and countless others have ceased to occur under this government is evidence enough that the human rights situation has improved (not to mention enormous gains in other areas, such as labor rights, etc.)

            Rory Carroll is apparently completely clueless of this history in Venezuela. Not surprising, since his whole objective is to blame everything on Chavez.

          • GAC-Get a job, a real job. Better yet, write your book on Venezuelan History. Heck, Maduro might even hire you to write a book on Venezuelan Ornithology.

      • No, all things being equal they would prefer that free speech and freedom of press, and free and fair elections were allowed, and 90+% of murders weren’t unsolved. They’d probably rather have a competent government whose petroleum infrastructure was better taken care of, but what can you do?

        But as I said, does it really matter enough for the USA to do anything? No. The 5th Repulic needs USA $$$ (and its refineries capable of processing dirty oil) at least as much as the USA needs Venezuela’s oil. And Chavez and co. have been selling it to them hand over fist to fund their revolution. Chavez could rail all he wanted about USA troops and tanks and planes wherever in the world, but he never moved one finger to stop selling them the oil they needed for their war machine. He could have severely disrupted that war machine (in the short term at least) he so loudly cursed, but did not. As Gabriel Garcia Marquez, friend of Fidel, put it, Chavez was an illusionist, bashing USA all day while selling them oil all night. What la gente didn’t know or couldn’t comprehend didn’t hurt them.

        • Rory, not only is this ahistorical, it is just downright dumb.

          First, if the US were concerned about free speech, why did they not seem to have a problem in, say, 2002 when all the airwaves were controlled by one side of the political spectrum, when the media engaged in overthrowing the government, and shut down the only pro-government media source at the time? The US openly supported the regime that did this. Not only that, but why did the US not have any problem with previous regimes that openly suspended constitutional rights like freedom of speech? Your ignorance of just very basic historical facts in Venezuela is glaringly obvious.

          As for Chavez continuing to sell oil to the US, well this argument is just downright dumb. Venezuela’s whole economy depends on oil, and a good part of that goes to the US (although less now than before Chavez). In other words, cutting off oil exports to the US would be utter suicide for any Venezuelan government. You might as well ask why Chavez didn’t simply shoot himself in the head, as it would have had the same effect.

          I find it amazing that someone with such obviously stupid arguments could have the audacity to think they should write a book on the topic. You can’t even begin to give the most basic explanation Venezuela’s development issues in the first place. How on Earth did you think you could write a book on this topic?

          • Well, first of all because it was the media that orchestrated the overthrow. The complete domination of the airwaves by one side made it possible for them to do this. Secondly, they immediately shut down the only pro-government media source. Thirdly, they engaged in a witch-hunt of Chavista officials, arresting them and beating them up. Fourthly, they forcefully repressed anti-coup protests, killing dozens of pro-government protesters on April 12th, as reported by Human Rights Watch.

            The US government openly supported the government that was doing all of this. Making Carroll’s claim that the US government “cares about human rights” just completely laughable. And that’s even if we don’t mention the atrocious human rights record of other Latin American governments supported by the US. The fact that Carroll would make that claim just shows how utterly ignorant he is of basic LA history.

          • Well, post-facto yes, having friends among media magnates certainly eased coordination of the coup. When Chavez attempted his own private coup back in 92 he didn’t have media magnates as friends so he used force to get control of the stations. But perhaps you mean that the media had been brainwashing people feeding them negative propaganda on Chavez, so that they didn’t react to the actual event? Well, I guess that brain washing is possible, but that is the price you pay for freedom of speech in any country. I guess Chavez just made more enemies than your typical politician. And while I think it’s generally reprehensible to use violence in the fashion you describe, much of it strikes me as SOP for a standard coup d’etat, don’t you think? I mean, are you going to go to chavistas with roses and boxes of chocolates? Or allow them to coordinate a counter-attack? Of course not! But apparently they were not ruthless enough, and the people “brain-washed” enough, after all Chavez did get back on his saddle instead of getting dropped from a helicopter into the ocean a la bin Laden…

          • Well, at least you admit that having the nation’s media concentrated in the hands of media magnates aided in carrying out the coup. How on Earth you think that could be considered “freedom of speech” is beyond me.

          • Dude. That’s some good shit you’re smoking (and yes it is you’re and not your….so now you can apologize to Syd)

          • When you buy a TV, you buy the opportunity to receive a message from the transmitter (TV channels).

            Now I for one have a particular set of tastes when it comes to radio, newspapers, internet, TV, etc. I like particular messages more than others.

            If I dislike the messages the TV transmitter sends, I turn the TV off or don’t pay for their content. Same with radio. Don’t like the music? Turn it off! Don’t like a website? Enter a different url or close your browser!

            Muzzling a transmitter because they transmit dissident views is the sort of thing they still do in China say, or did in the soviet block countries, or do underhandedly in Venezuela.

            In addition media of mass communication are important during a national crisis to disseminate information to the public. During such a crisis one expects certain freedoms to be curbed by those in power to gain control of the pertinent channels of transmission. Regardless of who the people in power are or how they came to power, you can expect them to use such media in roughly similar ways during a crisis. Of course during a coup the coup organizers attempt to usurp the channels of communication, to “beat the government” to them. This need not reflect on the general practice of observing freedom of speech in “normal” times. Restricting freedom of speech is simply the default during a crisis in order to effectively transmit the message to the public, same as you might ask a crowd to keep silence when you are speaking in public.

            Interestingly, in a country like Venezuela the government seems to assume that, because the country is in a state of perpetual “revolution” (=”crisis”) it has the right to perpetually gag dissident outlets of opinion by applying the law arbitrarily, with secret intent, and for its own gain. The reality I believe is often more mundane, actually. Venezuela is run by kleptocrats who have been usurping capital assets such as media corporations, nominally for the public good, but in reality to enrich themselves.

          • feo: Another way of looking at the regimes fear of a free independent critical press or media , is that it reveals a fear that its message is so weak so vulnerable to criticism , so flawed that it cannot allow the ordinary citizen to become exposed to that criticism because it may make them opponents of the regime or alternatively that people are so weak minded and unreliable in their beliefs that they will be seduced by any message which is critical of the regime . If the regime were more confident of the appeal of its own message then it would simply create its own media outlet and compete with the messages being broadcast by independent media without any attempt to mussle the latter.

          • Completely – the absolute control of media can be looked at as hypocritical and archaic, but of course it is useful in order to retain political control (and make a profit on the side too!). Although control of standard media is not enough. Communication is too easy nowadays.

          • “cutting off oil exports to the US would be utter suicide”: true but NOT if you have strong principles that you believe in (anti-imperialism, preventing ‘massacres’) and an ideology…You proof the point GAC: Chavistas…? a bunch of Banana Republic opportunists, that’s why they love travelling to Disney to meet Mickey Mouse, whilst they cool off with a fan of petro dollars…Revolucion de Pacotilla

            http://fronterainformativa.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/fotografia-de-hija-del-presidente-venezolano-chavez-con-dolares-causa-polemica/

          • Jota,

            Use your brain just a little bit. Just think for about three seconds about how dumb this argument is. If you have strong principles and want to prevent US imperialism and massacres, do you REALLY think the best way to do that is to cut off oil exports to the United States?

            The result would be your government would be quickly toppled, the opposition would come to power, and oil exports would resume. Wow, that was worth it!

            I often wonder how it is possible that people this dumb even exist…

          • Ends (stopping US war machine) would not be achieved by the incredibly stupid means proposed here (cutting off oil supply), as I just explained up above.

          • Exactly, Get a clue, no one is suggesting to you to justify the ends of stopping the US war machine or other ends by the means of cutting off oil supply or any other. What is being pointed out to you, and you are not countering very well, is that cutting off oil supply should be done out of principle, not as a means to an end. That you support the continued sleeping with the enemy speaks to the how solid you stand on your principles; that is, you’ll justify any means (ignoring all principles) to achieve your ends.

          • Haha! So you admit that cutting off oil would accomplish nothing, but yet think that continuing to sell oil means they are “in bed with the enemy”. How is that possible?

            You might want to try to square that circle genius.

          • In other words, if they cut off oil the war machine continues, and if they continue to sell oil the war machine continues. How that translates into “aiding the enemy” makes no sense whatsoever (as usual with your completely brainless nonsense).

            What it WOULD do, is have very detrimental effects on the well-being of the Venezuelan people, while not affecting the war machine at all.

            So what you are arguing is that Chavismo should sacrifice the Venezuelan people, and allow their situation to worsen considerably, so that he can have absolutely no impact on his enemy. Brilliant argument!!

            Not to mention the fact that Chavismo has more than one principle. I know this is really complex for you to understand Torres, but other principles of Chavismo’s include lowering poverty in Venezuela, improving quality of life in Venezuela, etc. So, you see, cutting off oil to their enemy would not only accomplish nothing, but it would go AGAINST many of their other principles and allow them to be true to NONE of their principles.

            Life is really complex Torres. But maybe if you keep studying really hard you can one day understand why handing out oil money to everyone is the most moronic development strategy ever conceived, and that you’ve wasted years advocating a utter nonsense.

          • But, yes, a picture of Chavez’s daughter with less than $20 in her hands is solid proof that Chavez did not have strong principles. Is it possible that anyone can actually think that is a rational argument?

          • GAC it says something about the regime where people can go to prison for mentioning the existence of non official dollars and yet the presidents teen age daughter takes flippant pride in flaunting those very difficult to get dollars she posseses in a social medium !! However you may be right in saying that the sins of the children need not be visited upon the parents who are responsible for their upbringing and supervision !!

          • Zzzzzzzzzzzz…. No one has gone to prison in Venezuela for “mentioning the existence of non official dollars”.

            Is there anyone serious here to debate with, or just one drama queen after another?

          • I should add, anyone who thinks it is “very difficult” to get 20 dollars in Venezuela either doesn’t live here, or has their head shoved very far up their ass.

          • I’m not Rory Carroll.

            I just happened to be named ‘Rory’. I will change my username from now on. My apologies to Rory Carroll.

            I certainly don’t write anywhere near as well as Rory Carroll. I didn’t think it possible someone would really think I was him.

          • Rory Carroll has recently responded here using the name Rory, so I find it quite a coincidence that you now claim you aren’t him.

          • I have never claimed to be him. I am posting, and have always posted when commenting on this blog, from Washington DC (or close to DC). When did someone with the user name “Rory” claim to be Rory Carroll on this blog? If he has posted here using the name Rory, I have never seen it. If he did and I missed it, my apologies.

            So, believe it or not, I am not him. Site hosts can confirm if they so desire.

            I will hereby be posting as ‘Rory O.’ Adios, mi camarada

          • I don’t care if you are him or not. It has been my pleasure to show how ludicrously ignorant your comments have been.

        • Chavistas’ eternal battle cry to US imperialism is a well-known saying:

          “You may have me on my knees, but i have you by the balls”

  10. “The fact that abuses… have ceased to occur under this government is evidence enough that the human rights situation has improved”

    Really?!?!?! Get A Clue REALLY????? Lista Tascon, 11 de abril, atropellos a periodistas, persecusiones e inhabilitaciones politicas, aumento de sicariatos, carceles fuera de control, Afiuni, Simonnovis… And to top it off… Venezuela se retira de la CIDH!!!

    Go, Get A (nother) Sniff and get the hell outa here…

    • Yes Leona, because Lista Tascon is just SOOO comparable to the Caracazo, and “atropellos a periodistas” is virtually identical to the Masacre de El Amparo.

      You aren’t very bright are you?

      • Sure, and the extra 10000-12000 murders last year are caused by “capitalism” (murders in 1998: less than 5000)
        And El Amparo’s repentants are the leaders
        And the hundreds of farmers killed in fights with the landowners are nothing (read even in Aporrea about that)
        And those union people killing each other (mafias?) are also a product of capitalism.
        And the 200+ extra prisoners murdered in jail are also killed by capitalism
        And so on.

        • Its interesting you mention the killing of trade union leaders because Venezuela’s official position to the ILO on this is that these murders are not related to union activities but are common crimes.

          Therefore they do not raise freedom of association and labour rights issues.

          Aside from the notable similarity between this position of Venezuela and that of Colombia, in the face of the worst excesses of the paramilitaries in that country, it suggests that in fact Venezuela has thoroughly investigated said murders of trade union leaders and, although nobody has been brought to justice, they have at least determined who is responsible for the crimes and why they were committed. Excellent. Now we can all feel even worse about the human rights situation in Venezuela.

        • Comparing murders that are a product of high crime rates to murders directly perpetrated by the government is just utter nonsense.

          Yes, the government has been terrible at combatting crime, but it is ludicrous to compare that to past abuses where the state intentionally massacred its own citizens.

          By doing so you are just demonstrating that you have no argument.

        • Uh, no, its not bullshit. The fact that the government no longer engages in massacres of its own citizens is definitely an improvement.

          • Well, at least you admit you have no point then.

            I never said the human rights situation is perfect, or even good. I simply said it has improved from previous governments. That’s not even controversial among reasonable analysts.

          • And your sarcasm demonstrated that you have no argument. Simply claiming that something is absurd isn’t an argument.

            Massacres in prisons occurred under previous governments as well, and, in fact, were worse. The worse prison massacre in Venezuelan history was in 1992, at el Retén de Catia prison, in which the National Guard was sent in to fire on prisoners indiscriminately. Two years later, over 100 prisoners died in a prison riot in Maracaibo in 1994.

            Isn’t it funny how your points end up strengthening MY argument and weakening yours?

          • The improvement of efficiencies through outsourcing is not lost on even the most revolutionary of movements.

    • Leona : Rereading your exchange with GAC I realize that he uses his insults to draw attention away from his always shifting and inconsistent line of argument and to make it seem that he has scored a point where none exist . Everyone who engages him is always depicted as stupid and heaped with scorn as unable to answer his always ‘unanswerable’ arguments , He knows his limitations so he uses the ‘bullfighter tricks’,of throwing a red cape of insults at your indignation while avoiding with fancy sophistical footwork any direct confrontation of your argument with his . By then self proclaiming himself the winner he makes himself appear the winner. Aside from this is the fact that there are two kinds of human rights violations , those that take away peoples lives and those that destroy peoples life and dignity, like what happened to the fired Pdvsa employees or to those of RCTV or to people whose means of livelihood were expropriated without compensation to make a regime bully feel all powerful , The victims if this latter type of abuse are left with destroyed lives even if they are not killed outright. But they are both human rights violations and deserve any honest persons condemnation .

  11. Just trying to clarify things there are ‘abuses’ which are the result of the coldly calculated decision of the perpetrator (Like the executions carried out by the Pinochet or Argentinian Junta regimes or the recent killing by Castro of a celebrated Dissenter via a simulated car accident or those ordered by Putin ) others which are the result of chaotic violent conditions resembling a flash war , where bullets have no name tags and simply fly free and hit both innnocent victims and armed participants , The first abuses somehow seem to be worse than the latter .

  12. Adding on to my last post I was wondering whether the Caracazo killings resemble those ocurring in the recent Venezuelan prison ‘interventions’ where dozens of killings still remain unexplained and blameless despite the violence used against the prisioners !!

  13. So, is this some type of M. Night Shyamalan plot were at the end it was the opposition the one who had the unfair advantages? Did he played some cameo in this movie, like, are we certain that Perez Pirela isn’t Shyamalan with a shaved head?

  14. GAC : Now your are a dumb ass for thinking that buying USD is legal in Venezuela and that the regime cant send you to jail for mentioning the forbidden currency , or do you think that only the presidents daughter is free from regime harrasment because of her priviledged position, that she is beyond the law. oh right, the government pays you directly in USD for your services to the revolution so you dont known any thing about the hassle of buying US dollarss through cadivi.

    • I simply said no one has gone to prison in Venezuela for “mentioning the existence of non official dollars”. I did not say it is not illegal.

      Obviously you can’t respond to what I say, so you attempt to respond to what I have not said.

  15. Apparently someone thought I am Rory Carroll. I am not. Has he ever actually posted here?

    So I am not him, if it wasn’t obvious enough from my writing.

  16. Bayly interviews Yoani. Worthwhile as at 8:25 and particularly as at 9:18, where Sánchez talks about censorship, hacking, and “la Operación Verdad”.

    @estebangerbasi
    Yoani Sánchez @yoanisanchez en el programa de Jaime Bayly 2/3 http://youtu.be/V-jReK17G58

    #WatchGACgoNuts

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