In Defense of Ramos Arrechup

People are mad at Henry Ramos for hurting chavistas' feelings? Really?!


The opposition wins parliament by a ⅔ margin, a supermajority that gives them real power for the first time. The new Assembly takes office almost painlessly and gets to work immediately. You’d think oppo supporters would be celebrating.

Think twice.

Criticism is now raining down on the MUD and its parliamentary leader, Henry Ramos Allup, from our lines. The most infuriating one – for me – is the idea that the National Assembly is going too hard too fast on chavistas by telling it like it is on the propaganda posters he had removed from the National Assembly.

Some people are aghast at Henry’s tone here. For them, we shouldn’t confront chavistas directly because…well, because we want them to play nice, I guess. We have to take special care to not offend chavistas because a real change won’t come without them, and every provocation we make could be another nail on our coffin.


I find it baffling that, a estas alturas del partido, people haven’t grasped that you can’t appease chavismo into playing nice. Chavismo will do whatever they can whenever they want to, and it really doesn’t matters whatever the oppo does or stops doing. You’d think we’d have learned that by now.

The MUD caucus ignores a clearly illegal ruling from a blatantly corrupt Tribunal Supremo, and the Amazonas deputies, alongside the Southern Region indigenous deputy, take office. As an excuse to ignore all the AN decisions, and withhold funding, to avoid going there to present their memoria y cuenta, or subject themselves to any kind of scrutiny, it’ll do just fine.

So let’s imagine what would have happened if the oppo had held back just a bit.

Eventually, MUD will need the supermajority voters gave it on 6D. If the MUD is going to, for example, create a parliamentary commission, or just debug the Supreme Court from the illegitimate magistrates whose voted for themselves on Dec 23, the PSUV caucus could – and will, that’s for sure – allege  they don’t have the necessary majority for it, since 109 is not 2/3rds of 167.

If there was any hint of suspense about how the TSJ would rule on any such case, it would be one thing. But we know exactly the way it would play out, so why pretend?

And all the Chávez propaganda inside the Palacio Federal? Well, we knew that getting rid of it would offend chavismo’s 19th century Victorian lady sensibilities.  So, I guess we should let stand the new holiday Dec 8 alone too, you know, the día de la lealtad y el amor a Hugo Chávez, because sumar voluntades.

You don’t dismantle a dictatorship without dismantling its iconography – if you don’t believe me, ask an Argentino. Those propaganda posters should never have been inside the Assembly in the first place. Chavismo’s symbolic appropriation of the space inside the hemiciclo was an act of violence. You don’t repudiate acts of violence politely, coño.

We come back to the same category mistake again and again. Guys, they don’t want to resolver este peo: the Luis Salas’ appointment as Vice-president in charge of the Economy should be enough to clarify this. They don’t want to fix the mess caused by the thicket of economic controls that has turned us into an unproductive, cashless oil exporter where people have to face kilometers’ longlines to buy a damn chicken. They want to profundizar el modelo, and they don’t freakin’ care about  people who might starve in the process.

The one positive aspect in all this is that Henry Ramos Allup – and believe me, I die inside a little bit as I type this – seems to get it. He seems to understand this isn’t a question of legal niceties, much less of catching flies with honey instead of vinegar. He knows we’re in a primate dominance contest now. We’re trying to establish which monkey is going to be the alpha in this peo, and when you’re trying to establish primate dominance you never start by trying to be nice to the other guy. You have to impose yourself by showing everyone you’re more arrecho, that you won’t be intimidated and you don’t give a shit whose sensibilities get hurt in the process. This isn’t summer camp, this is a fight. Henry wants to fight. Halle-fucking-llujah!

There is no easy way to establish to a bully who’s been bullying you for years that things changed and he’s no longer allowed to carajearte. That takes courage and it takes a certain confrontational attitude. We’re still thinking if we can find the right kinds of words we can win this confrontation before engaging in it. It doesn’t work that way.

Of course, Henry’s strategy is dangerous. That’s baked into the structure of the situation: Chavismo will do whatever they can to protect themselves from a fall from power. And they still have the Supreme Tribunal, the presidency, the oil company…and the guns.

Chávez didn’t have even a fraction of the institutional power PSUV enjoys now. And yet  he was able to jujitsu a resignation into a coup d’etat and then put in jail any number policemen as scapegoats for all the blood he had on his hands when he called a Cadena Nacional in the middle of a firefight. Chavismo is a dangerous enemy that doesn’t care about anything other than keeping power, an attitude that ends up boosting its need to keep it, to avoid being tried and jailed for the crimes it’s then forced to commit  to keep the baton.

Welcome to Venezuelan politics, where a seamless transition to democracy just isn’t an option. The sooner we internalize that, the better.

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  1. “You don’t touch the idol” is the new taboo in venezuelan politics, screwed down by the manipulative corpse.

    “Al ídolo no se le toca” es el nuevo tabú de la política venezolana, atornillado por el cadáver manipulador.

  2. I´ve never been a Henry fan. In fact, I´ve given him so much shit that he blocked me in Twitter. But this is the moment to make a move. Accepting the decision on the Amazonas deputies would mean losing the 2/3, they had to stand their ground.

    I also was a furious critic of La Salida. Not because there was something illegal or inherently wrong calling for protests, but because the timing was so misguided, that showed zero political sense, specially coming from an adverse electoral result (Municipales 2013), and an upcoming economic crisis that EVERYONE saw coming, but at the time was not mature enough.

    Now, the timing is different. We have a rotund majority behind us. The economic meltdown is in full swing. What we need to do is keep pushing and putting them between a rock and a hard place, and make them react, and make mistakes. They might end up hitting hard the AN, and then we are at the endzone.

  3. Amen!

    1)-Photo opportunities with huge symbolic value are the weapon of mass destruction for today’s causes. Remember Aylan Kurdi? The poor little boy drowned this summer? That photo changed refugee policy. Or the toppling of Saddam’s statue in Firdo’s square in 2003? The video of Ramos Allup dispatching the pictures was very powerful and hence the rabid reaction.

    2)-If Chavismo wished to do politics, i.e. negotiate, it could have given clear signals December 7th, but instead they double down with very lurid political moves, outdoing their sore loser’s responses of the past.

    3)-Chavismo is still operating as a James Bond deranged villain with regards to the economy, that will trump EVERYTHING. The poor suffer the most in an hyperinflation, and that is 70% of the population.

    Salidismo is the only response now because the opposition has shown to have the majority behind them. In the meantime the jujitsu (or chess) match continues with the military as judges in this murky game.

  4. Los personajes de este régimen no son más que unos farsantes. Ahora actúan como princesas mancilladas por el desalojo de la iconografía chavista de la sede de la AN que para empezar nunca debió estar allí. A mis panas les digo que no se equivoquen, con estos rufianes no hay modo de ser políticamente correctos (lo han sido ellos en alguna oportunidad?) sin que interpreten esos gestos como debilidad, para luego pretender tocarle las nalgas a la oposición

  5. Much as I loved this post, much as I watch HRA with a sense of repressed glee, as I would a close brother in law over too many drinks at new years, I think the proper adult response is:

    (a) because the opposition needs the support of a great many people who hold a deep and enduring affection for Hugo Chavez and that is just a reality that will not go away, no matter how bad things get;

    (b) when standing in a dark room full of gasoline fumes with your opponent fumbling around looking for his matches, you don’t hand him a lighter.

    • I couldn’t agree more. It’s not about beating our chests aggressively, it’s about strategy. Rojas makes a great emotional argument, but it’s just that.

      Honestly, most of this wouldn’t matter if we weren’t planning a recall election in 6 months. But we will need vulnerable chavista voters then as much as we did in 6D. HRA is problematic when he plays into Chavismo’s stereotype of La Derecha de cuarta republica.

      It’s not about carajear the bully, it’s about taking him down by tying his shoelaces together. THAT’s how you win, and that’s how Chavez attained so much power in Venezuela.

      Of course, aggressive rhetoric can be just as strategic as negotiating. Chavez himself proved that.

      Maybe HRA is poking the bear into authoritarianism? The ensuing counter-revolution could play out in favor of the New Majority… but these are dangerous though

  6. Almost all of my usual MUD bashing is based on that fact alone: Fear to call a spade a spade. I´m really glad Ramos Allup stepped forward and did away with the classic “Si desprecias sus iconos, no te van a querer y bla bla, hay que sumar”

    Ruben is right, no change can start without first tearing down their paraphernalia.

    With these kinds of actions, Ramos is proving me wrong on my statement about how MUD wouldn´t WIELD power. Toro can laugh at me now.

    I hope the whole block follows suit and confronts chavismo in the same fashion

  7. This article confuses institutional ‘chavismo’ and popular ‘chavismo’. We can afford not to care about the sensibilities of the former, but we might pay dearly alienating the latter.

    • The later will always be alienated.

      Their cause is one of religion. A cult. Remainings of hardcore chavismo won´t walk back their own steps, it is too late to aknowledge failure and take the blow.

      • That is simply not true… At least 500,000 votes to the MUD in these elections came from people who used to vote for chavismo (re: Iñaki Sagarzazu). These people can be convinced that Maduro failed them, but it is still too early to offend what they perceive to be the first president to care about their struggles.

        • What you miserably fail to understand, is that a great deal of those “chavistas” that finally snap out of it and decide to vote for the MUD, are the ones most desperate and impatient for a change, and might even decide it’s more practical to revert back to chavismo and ask for reform, than vote for an incompetent opposition that is too scared to oppose. In other words, recent ex-chavistas are usually more radical than long-time opposition voters.

        • You are both right. About 10% of the population are Chavista to the bone and they believe in it a very real religious sense. Their very self-identity is intertwined with their political affiliation. They may well die defending their faith, or they may die later, bitter and defeated. Their problem, not ours. The remaining 20% (and declining rapidly) can be reasoned with, sooner or later.

          I agree with Ruben that the iconography of Chavismo must be attacked. The removal of Chavez’s picture was hugely symbolic. In Rocky IV (V?) when he is fighting the Russian, there is the moment when he cuts the eyebrow of Drago. Rocky’s trainer tells him, “See? He bleeds. He is human.” When Chavez’s picture came down, with no fanfare, it said, “See? It is just a picture. It holds no power.”

        • Agreed… is a couple of weeks too soon…Maybe after 1 or 2 concrete achievements. Like El Pueblo actually having the papers in their hands that they own their properties and land afforded to them in Mission Vivienda. For right now it is just a law that was passed, but do they have the documents yet?? This whole thing is about timing. And the timing may have been a little off. No one, neither Opposition or Chavistas want to be reminded of the Carmona Decree, it just reeks.

  8. All I want is to hear a plan. Or forget that, all I want is for there to BE a plan.

    I think I’m going to start praying for Ramos Allup. Maybe I’ll pray to the Chávez santo…

    I just really hope this is a high stakes poker hand show down and not a Don Quixote scenario.

    vaMOS, nojoda!

  9. Coudn’t agree any more on this!

    I’ve always considered myself a very strong caprilista, but now i think i’ve been more of a realpolitk person. Before 6D it was all about getting the popular support. Now we have it.

    Those “votos prestados” weren’t prestados so the AN would magically devaluate the currency or make appear food in the supermarket aisles. They we’re prestados so the PSUV would fin a counterpower in the legislative branch. People voted for balance.

    They are not expecting the opposition to be the government. They are expecting the government to solve their problems by the grace of the separation of powers. And that separation of powers is what HRA is making evident.

    What we “know” that the broad public hasn’t really grasped is that chavismo is not going to solve their problems. We are gonna have to make them see it with their own eyes. That’s the job.

    • Way too complex of an analysis for the average voter to make, if anything people are not stupid, they know that having a legislative power opposed to the chavista kind of executive power would create the very same institutional and political crisis we’re having right now. 6D was a plebiscite, that much is clear, people are not holding any kind of bullshit hope that a “balance” between chavismo and the opposition would bring back prosperity to the country, they know that dismantling the whole chavista regime and re-arrange the whole political order, is what would make this a functional country again, and they saw potential for a way to do this somewhat peacefully, by electing a new majority in the AN.

      • Well, if you read past the lines, one would say we are saying the very same thing… The only difference being on you being completly confident that the average voter wants to end the gvmn’t. I wouldn’t bet on that. My bet is on the average voter giving chavistas one last chance that of course they are going to waste.

  10. Forget the optics. On principle alone you can’t keep those portraits in the chamber. To do so would say that it’s ok to put democracy second to a personality cult. That’s the people’s house. It does not belong to Chavez or his distinctly revisionist appropriation of Bolivar clearly meant to be represented with a novel portrait of the man. Ramos Allup isn’t being provocative even if he means to be. This is 100% the right thing to do.

    • I see the same thing, that he HAD to uphold and act on what he said in his speech, to reestablish the separation of powers. Chavez does not and never should have “owned” the AN. The AN does not represent Chavez. The diputados represent those who elected them. BIG difference there!

      MUD has the supermajority of the country to represent. Maybe this is something that takes bit of assimilation, after so many years. The supermajority of venezuelans have supported and entrusted MUD to bring change through democratic process.

      It might be said that Allup is doing what Padrino Lopez stated he is doing: he is representing his duty. Each is doing his duty. There are lines to be walked, and sometimes, those lines are pretty damn narrow and there is not room to sway to one side or the other without losing one’s balance.

      Swearing in the Amazonas and Indigenas deputies was not just for the AN supermajority. They were elected. To NOT swear them in would be to disenfranchise those voters, and that would be illegal, cowardly, treasonous, dereliction of duty, and shameful. Vacilando is not a solution. Who knows what those diputados will propose or vote for – what matters is that they have the right to do.

  11. The more “arrecho” Ramos Allup makes them, the more irrational they become, and the more mistakes they make. I am convinced, he and the Opposition know exactly what they are doing and have a game plan. I wish they could share it with us, but we should all be able to appreciate why they can’t. As far as I am concerned, so far, so good. Good article, Rubén.

    • Yes. The guys are finally playing politics, the famous “Ven a mí, que tengo flor” of the Galactic One. Chavismo can’t react well to that change because they’ve never faced it before.

  12. “For them, we shouldn’t confront chavistas directly because…well, because we want them to play nice, I guess. We have to take special care to not offend chavistas because a real change won’t come without them, and every provocation we make could be another nail on our coffin”

    Are they ex-Chavistas/left-wing by any chance?

    Curiously, recenlty I’ve read an article written by a Jew about left-wing Jews, the infamous ones supporting BDS and saying that all the problems in the Middle East are basically Israel’s fault, and his point is the same of yours, that these people calling for ‘moderation’ go against the country’s best interests. Idiots in the best case scenario, traitors in the worst.

    I think that the left in general has some sort of admiration for everything extremist/radical they find. That’s why they tend to look with tender eyes at Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, and even ISIS and North Korea in some cases. I don’t think they are afraid to ‘offend’ Chavistas; they are actually afraid of seeing these guys they admire disappearing in the horizon. “A real change won’t come without them because we think they could still add to the debate.” Isn’t that what they say?

    If you put those people ruling the opposition, they will find a way to implode the opposition from inside. Be sure of that.


      Así no vamos a ninguna parte, Marc…

      • Well, it might be a ‘fringe extreme of an ideology’ in the US, or maybe in Canada, but in South America it tends to be the consensus, unfortunately. Hospitals and schools are still named after “Che Guevara” in the present day, can you believe it? Political parties endorsed enthusiastically North Korea’s hydrogen bomb test this week, did you see it? We know that many voting for the opposition in Venezuela, or in the opposition, still look toward Chavismo with maternal eyes, it doesn’t matter if it’s due to stupidity or an evit intent. That’s what I tried to say in my comment.

        • Brilliant comment, Marc.

          I think that it clearly applies to certain parties inside the MUD. Particularly Henry Falcon’s party and all the people that were close to Aveledo while he was coordinator.

          • Thanks, guys!

            If anyone is interested in the article I mentioned about the left-wing Jews, here is the link:


            I highlighted some extracts that could draw comparison with some segments of the Venezuelan opposition and the left-wing Jews, the third paragraph being the most important of them all in my opinion:

            “While (Jewish) pro-BDS (boycott, divest, and sanction) movement advocates have a right to be heard in a free country, they are not entitled to do so on the Jewish community’s dime. To claim that they should is to fetishize the concept of inclusion to the point of parody. A community that prioritizes inclusion even of those who seek to undermine its basic values such as support for Israel is one that stands for nothing. Indeed, such a community will render itself incapable of taking a pro-Israel stand on even the most anodyne terms.

            Such debates do little to broaden the Jewish community since anti-Israel advocates (and by that I mean those opposed to a Jewish state, no matter where its borders might be drawn and Israel’s right of self-defense, not merely critics of the current government) are not interested in building a Jewish community or a pro-Israel consensus. They wish to destroy it.

            The focus on inclusion of pro-BDS groups like Jewish Voice for Peace is a function of the obsession with the old left-right debates about Israel over territory and settlements that have been rendered obsolete by events on the ground. Repeated Palestinian rejections of peace offers have made it clear that such arguments are irrelevant to the current situation since Israel’s foes reject its existence under any circumstances.

            So it’s little wonder that those who are most obsessed with the notion that peace can be obtained by more Israeli concessions despite the fact that all such attempts have led to a trade of land for terror, not peace, are asking us to talk about something else. But those who care about the fate of the Jewish people can’t afford to opt out of the conversation about Israel. Nor can they engage in fantasies about the real problem being the bruised feelings of those who have worked hard to undermine Israel’s political and diplomatic position.

            As much as many of us prefer to avoid the subject, Israel still is living under the daily threat of terrorism from Hamas and Hezbollah and their ally Iran. And, as Prime Minister Netanyahu rightly said yesterday at the start of the country’s Memorial Day ceremonies, in such a dangerous and hostile world, the Jews have no future without Israel. We may have differing views about its politics and its policies, but the main argument today isn’t about settlements, it’s about whether the efforts of Israel’s foes and their anti-Semitic allies will succeed in destroying the one Jewish state.

            A vibrant conversation about Israel is more necessary than ever. But it must be one premised on the notion that singling out the one Jewish state for biased treatment and delegitimization not accorded any other country must be correctly labeled as hate speech even if it is being uttered by Jews. Efforts to divert us from this crucial question are part of the problem for the pro-Israel community, not the solution.”

  13. Don’t be such a knucklehead. The key audience is the guy in the middle who doesn’t take too kindly to Ramos’ racist thumping of the rather artistic Libertador painting. There’s a need to be sensitive, and as far as I’m concerned they ought to have a black Libertador is it wets their whistle.

    • “… Ramos’ racist thumping of the rather artistic Libertador painting.”

      One thing is to take an artistic license, and another is to blatantly distort history as a political tool, putting the corpse’s face in Bolívar’s suit was another case of personality cult that got shoved down venezuelans’ throats.

      Whether chaviztas’ and their ridiculous own racist complex like it or not, Bolívar was a “frentón” whitey son of spaniards, the very embodiment of the “burguesito ricachón” they hate so much, it’s known and proven that the actual portaits that Bolívar claimed that were the most accurate were those that represent the “classic” look everybody knows.

      “There’s a need to be sensitive, and as far as I’m concerned they ought to have a black Libertador is it wets their whistle”

      It’s not about “being racist” (Ironically the chaviztas are the most racist people in Venezuela), it’s about stopping the idiocy of keeping a lie just because it feeds their childish ego.

      It’s like somebody went and claimed that the thing that’s in my avatar was my ACTUAL look, come on, I’m human as everybody else, two eyes, one nose, one mouth and all that stuff, I definitely don’t look like some thing that’s got tentacles and no face nor skin.

      • and that’s my point…Ramos Allup ought to focus on his key audience…that’s the senior military officers we saw at Cuartel de la Montaña in that bizarre ceremony in which Padrino López announced a de facto coup de etat, and the soft core Chavistas who will eventually jump sides (or not) and will drive Maduro out on his own.

        Ramos Allup stupidly precipitated Padrino López into declaring a coup. What we don’t know is whether the self anointed supreme military leadership will be able to overcome Cuban moles, allow the people to demonstrate (as they surely will), and allow Maduro to fall.

        • How many people are favoring an “actual coup”, dude? Aha, like two or three, in the whole world.

          Look, padrino might be growling and showing his teeth all he wants, the moment the military dares to strike, where do you think that the carefully, million-dollar image of “perfect popular democracy” crafted by chavizmo will go? That’s right, straight to the garbage, just imagine how many more “chaviztas arrepentidos” there will be if their sacred pantheon suddenly goes all “carmona estanga” on their asses (To use their very own logic and lies, because april 11 was a power void, not a coup), yeah, they might hold the power for some more time, but another social uprising like #LaSalida might happen, and even worse than that one from 2014 due to this time it would be many more people doing it, and with much less colectivos willing to risk their asses against furious people on the streets.

          That’s just talking about the inner part of the country, so, how long do you think a coup-established-dictatorship would stand against the rest of the countries that are not interested in having such a regime in the middle of Latin America, actively driving drug-trafficking and openly supporting terrorists? Man, the only thing that was protecting chavizmo from the actual outsider intervention was its infamous “democratic paintjob”, that will crumble down once the drug-generals hit the table.

  14. Is the same LaSalida confrontation again: The oppo base got tired of not being able to tell the lumpen that their creepy cult for the corpse is bullshit.

    The PJ attitude of “what are you going to do, vote for Maduro?” is what got us guarimbas, because even VP tried to stop them and they couldn’t. We are tired of almost 20 years of humilliation and being told by our own parties that we have to shut the fuck up to not offend morons. Fuck. That.

    Better to let chavismo spend their energy and political capital on something stupid as Chávez posters, even with Ramos Allup “provocation”, they look like a bunch of children, specially now, when the economic situation is going to get worse. And those that want to keep supporting the food lines because mean Ramos Allup said something bad about the Galactical asshole are a lost cause.

    Speaking off, if the MUD can’t take the BCV and stop the money printers, us suckers that live on this country are going to starve to death or die for lack of medicines. The express magistrates of the TSJ are on the way, not to mention that such blatant violation of the Constitution is unacceptable, so they have to go. So is GOOD that the MUD goes for the throat now, because play time is over, we have to go on the offensive when the beast is wounded.

  15. Dont like Allup much, but yep. All the nice dialog and willingness to unite and all that is misplaced IF you dont show that you have the initiative and keep the tempo.

    You cant be a doormat with these people. Hell, they already started doing what they always do – keep the attack, keep the pressure, never let the enemy breathe, and what do you propose, to sit down and talk?

    You first have to show them they cant trample over you as usual, then maybe they will talk. And watch your back while they are talking.

    Again, for much that he is … well … not what I would want to see, Allup is an old devil, and knows that you either keep your initiative or you are at the mercy of whatever new bullshit they throw at you while you cant deliver anything to your supporters because you are still waiting for the negotiation.

    At least showing the willingness to fight signals that your vote is not going to be ignored.

  16. There are two different issues here. 1) The removal of the posters; 2) How it was removed.

    On 1) Want to remove all the propaganda posters? Please do, go ahead, I agree MUD has to dismantle the iconography (and that MUD can’t back down in this fight).

    On 2) But HRA could’ve simply said to employees, in private: take all that shit out. But that’s not his way, he enjoys the spotlight. He knew he was being filmed, and was revelling in it. Now the story stays in the press for days, with the government pushing it, and all for.. what? What does MUD gains from his show? HRA was just like Chávez: giving orders in public to show people he’s in charge, to feed his own ego.

    And, no, taking down the posters without filming it wouldn’t be “playing nice” against chavismo. It would be, simply, adult behaviour. The whole thing, while funny, was pretty childish.

    • Yet I like the way that it distracts chavismo from what really matters. One of the things that became evident after 6D was that the whole ideology and chavista talk is not reaching the people anymore. People want you to fix the problems, they want to go to the beach, have enough cash to pay for food and booze and not be killed while enjoying the place. Chavismo is talking about keeping power and respecting the Eternal Commander, which is really not what the whole of the country cares about.

      With Ramos doing this, whether people enjoys it or not (and, let’s remember, Venezuelans are deeply in love with the Strongman), you’re doing something Chavez did to us for years: You’re marking their agenda. We know for sure they’re going to answer something like this, they dedicated an act “of respect”. The people on the street cares about that? Absolutely not.

      This morning Chúo came out and said that if they’ve offended someone, they’re sorry, but the real thing, the thing that matters, is not the “poster war”, it’s the lines, the hunger, the crime. I liked that. It’s like good cop, bad cop. So far, I like how these guys are playing chess.

    • He did not give orders in public: The whole action was taken early in the morning, with no real media, with no regular session, with few people around. You’re talking about self-censorship because, well.. childish, government press, I’m so scared

      • Por favor… tu crees que HRA fue grabado en secreto?? Tan fácil que era sacar los afiches disimuladamente y poco a poco. Todo eso fue a propósito, y bueno les dimo cuerda por otros tres meses.

      • Oh, please, come on. Watch the video. He’s being filmed just one meter away. He even looks straight at the guy who’s filming. He know what he’s doing, he knows the video will leak (and most likely wants it to be leaked). He’s doing it for show, plain and simple.

        It wouldn’t be self-censorship to do it away from the cameras. This is not a stupid reality show, and nor do they have to film and release everything on social media like dumb teenagers.

        • El tipo hasta ahora no lo ha negado, ni ha salido diciendo como buen chaburro que “sacaron de contexto sus palabras” (como el facho ricardo molina que dijo que botaría a todo el no-chavizta para que se muriese de hambre) o a héctor rodríguez (a.k.a. hijo de joge a.k.a. “no vamos a sacar a los pobres de la pobreza porque se volverán escuálidos”)

          Cada vez que le preguntaron a HRA acerca del incidente y de lo que dijo, el carajo lo ha mantenido igual que cuando lo filmaron “Yo dije que se llevaran los retratos a Sabaneta, a casa de la viuda o que los echen en el aseo, ellos verán que hacen con eso, yo no quiero verlos acá”

          Es el mismo peo de cuando él dijo algo de ANTV y salieron los chaburros a decir que él iba a venir a botar a todas las madres solteras discapacitadas con niños minusválidos para que fueran a morirse de hambre en la calle.

          El chavizmo es como un carajito malcriado que quiere hacer lo que le da la gana, y que cada vez que se le lleva la contraria, arma un berrinche de proporciones bíblicas, se tira al suelo y grita y chilla a todo pulmón, en algún momento de la historia había que decirle a los chaviztas en sus caras “deja de tatar de meterle por la garganta tu culto a la personalidad a los demás, deja de tratar de obligar a los demás a vivir como tú quieres” y todo el mundo sabía que vendrían berrinches estúpidos y ridículos por CUALQUIER COSA QUE DIJERA O HICIERAN estos carajos.

          Los chaburros de arriba chillan porque les están haciendo un hueco en su estructura de monopolio esclavista y hambreador que los ha vuelto milmillonarios en dólares desde hace casi dos décadas, y los chaburros de abajo chillan porque a pesar de que están pasando la roncha pareja gracias a los chaburros de arriba, pues chillan porque son unos tarados acomplejados.

          Y el chavizta que tiene cuatro dedos de frente y neuronas funcionales lo más probable es que piensa “ya que coño, yo sabía que el bochinche estaba mal, fue bueno mientras duró.”

    • A couple days in and people are getting all riled up about the removal of portraits? Ramos Allups’s actions were about pouring salt on the wound; no amount of intellectual chest thumping is going to change that.

      Perro que ladra no muerde. Ramos Allup has been all bark until now. Just because he swore in the three remaining MPs doesn’t mean a thing. Whomever was chosen to be president of the AN would’ve done the same.

      Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Ramos Allup is linked to the intergalactic comandant in more ways than one, let’s not lose sight of that crucial fact.

    • I think the way he did is much more effective.
      The message is clear: things are changing, there is a new sheriff in town.

      Even those that admired Chavez will take notice and probably respect it.

      And what is more, VTV is broadcasting it!

  17. I hate the guy, but I hate him for what he has done in the past, not for what he is doing right now.

    I thought that Julio Borges could have done a similar job than HRA, but now I can see why they chose HRA. He is a 72 yeard old silver tongued sarcastic son of a bitch who is simply not afraid to do what needs to be done. Julio Borges on the other side has a long way to go and probably would not have been so keen to the amount of fighting that is coming.

    The thing that I dislike the most is putting the face of la podrida cuarta republica to lead the ending of la quinta.

  18. “You have to impose yourself by showing everyone you’re more arrecho.”

    Naw man, you impose yourself by picking your fights and thinking strategically, not by launching a frontal attack on a much more powerful enemy at the beginning of the war. That will just screw you up.

    Don’t get me wrong. I really have no gripe at all with good ol’ Henry taking away the Chávez and mutant Bolívar banners. They could have cut them and turned them into vinyl bags for all I care. Sure, the hardcore chavistas might get offended, and although everyone and his/her mom has an opinion on it, I’m pretty sure that, one way or another, most people don’t really care. If the MUD wanted to do it as a way of displaying power, alright, I can live with that.

    But I believe that we have made a serious strategic fumble by swearing in the deputies from Amazonas right away, without first eliciting a clear response from the Supreme Court.

    I mean, sure, we all know the Supreme Court is not independent, that it’s a kangaroo court and that it will not rule against the government. But unfortunately for us, it IS the Supreme Court, and one doesn’t just go about life ignoring the rulings of the Supreme Court just like that. One has to be sure that all previous options have been exhausted, and THEN you can have the boldness (as well as the moral high ground) to do something like that.

    But no, after seeing Henry saying that “we are not here to pick up fights with anyone” on the first day, we blow up the constitutional crisis full throttle on the second day without even making the effort of pretending that we tried to solve it in a less confrontational manner.

    Someone in a previous thread commented that the legal basis for swearing in the Amazonas MPs was not clear and that the MUD has made no effort in making it clear, either. I agree completely with this. All I have read are some obscure legal technicalities about the MPs being proclaimed already, making the medida cautelar of the TSJ “inejecutable” (whatever that means). Really? Is that the best we have? Come on, if it’s not clear for a well-informed Caracas Chronicles reader, can you expect it to be clear for the vast majority of the voters who are not political junkies? And for about those voters who, having been skeptical of the opposition throughout many years, decided to finally give it a chance?

    If I were HRA, here’s what I would have done: I wouldn’t have sworn in the Amazonas MPs -yet- but I would have made a statement, voted by the 109 oppo MPs, saying something along the lines of “we categorically reject the politically motivated attempt of the Sala Electoral del Tribunal Supremo de Justicia to deprive the amazonenses of their right to be represented in this Assembly, and therefore demand the TSJ to take the necessary steps to ensure the effective representation of the state of Amazonas by dd/mm/yyyy, at the latest (read: we’re giving you a chance to sort your mess out). In case the TSJ fails to act accordingly, this Assembly will take whatever steps necessary in order to ensure the full representation and political rights of el valiente pueblo de Amazonas.”

    Sure, the result would have most likely been the same -the chavistas are not going to let go of the coroto just like that- but in politics, no sólo el fondo importa, sino también la forma. If conflict was inevitable, it would have been much better to frame the problem as the government disenfranchising a whole state for political gain, instead of just “aww shucks they are taking away the two-thirds majority from us.”

    • Excellent. In fact I would go a little further: It would have been wiser to cancel the appointment of judges and then, by way of consequence, swear in the deputies. At least he would have some sense of form…

    • Yo también tenía mis reservas sobre la juramentación de los diputados. Pero, luego de leer argumentos de lado y lado creo que hicieron lo correcto.

      Que argumentos tienen a su favor? Estos:

      1. Una vez proclamados, los diputados tienen inmunidad parlamentaria. Ya esto fue definido por el TSJ anteriormente. La única manera de que dejen de ser diputados es que renuncien, termine su plazo o los expulse la misma AN. Ni el TSJ, ni el Ejecutivo, ni la corte celestial pueden removerlos.

      2. El PSUV no agotó las instancias previas, es decir, no ha presentado ante el CNE ninguna solicitud.

      3. El TSJ no ha ni siquiera considerado la recusación presentada contra los jueces que recibieron la denuncia. Ya que estamos hablando de violar las leyes, por que no mencionamos esto?

      Seguramente el TSJ y la Sala Constitucional (autoproclamada cacique entre los caciques) van a hacer lo que más le convenga al PSUV sin importar lo que diga la jurisprudencia, cosa que para ellos no vale ni el papel en que está escrito. Y más ahora que su propia supervivencia depende de eso.

      Entonces, entre una AN que se hace la vista gorda ante lo que decide el TSJ, y un TSJ que se pasa las leyes por el arco del triunfo, a quien escogemos? Supongo que muchos dan por ganador al TSJ, pero la AN también juega.

      Yo sospecho que la jugada del chavismo es tratar de postergar el RR para que este no se pueda realizar antes de abril de 2017. De esa manera el chavismo podría completar el periodo hasta 2019 y ganarían tiempo en espera de otro milagro petrolero.

  19. While I wouldn’t have considered the removal of Chavez’s posters a priority, it does give me a profound sense of satisfaction seeing them carted out.
    But either way, I don’t think it would have made a difference: The MUD supermajority has planned to draft amnesty laws, block any sort of future ley habilitante, play hard ball with the TSJ and begin preparations to put Maduro out of a job. Do we seriously believe that the chavista loyalists, even those that are doubting the current regime’s commitment to el pueblo, are just going to tut-tut and wring their hands while those plans are carried out?

    Even if they voted for MUD as a leap of faith, our party would have done something sooner or later to make them regret their decision. Being fickle is human nature.
    What would have happened further down the line when, say, the AN chooses to ignore the celebration of Chavez’s death, or rise to power, or his birth and instead declare those events not worthy of commemoration? Is Maria Gabriela Chavez just never going to be investigated for that rice scandal by virtue of being a Chavez? Where do we draw the line on what we can and can’t do because it would offend Chavez sympathizers? Fuck all that.

    We should always expect resistance on everything the AN does, big or small, but I wouldn’t worry too much about this story because the country has a short memory. Just give Salas a few months to unleash his biblical plague of stupidity on the economy and everyone will too busy focusing on something else. Like not starving to death.

  20. This is not even about Ramos Allup.

    I think the psuv would have made this pataleta if it was Allup, Borges, if it was public or private, it doesn’t matter, they will find whatever reason to get upset and try to get their people upset.

    And the psuv focusing on this is a mistake that’s at least relatively harmless to the country. So let’s enjoy this one. Because their other mistakes will hurt.

  21. Oppo people enjoy HRA, basically because of ego, because HRA is finally giving a “trago de su propia medicina” to the chavismo.

    All your arguments are based on that the oppo shouldn’t let the chavismo get away with it, and you are right about it, we cannot let them ruled over us.
    But, like Pedro Rosas said, the main problem it’s in HRA’s tone, the way he handle it, not in the actions per sé.

    The main thing that we criticize to Ramos Allup it’s his love to wind off his “magic stick”, and reminding EVERYBODY who’ve got the power, that “in your face” gestures, he just loves to show it off … Aham, u know, just like chavismo loves to.

    Early chavismo was criticized for being exactly that way, and now the oppo is doing the same thing and expect not to be criticized???

    If you think you have to sacrifice politeness in order to make changes, think twice.

    You don’t have to shut someone’s mouth, call someone a liar, or say “el que manda aquí soy YO” or “No van a hacer lo que les dé la gana” in order to deny chavismo another chance to postulate a candidate, to take off Chavez’s picture, or to swear in the remaining deputies.

    Let’s face it, it’s plain ego what you are defending.

    And why politeness is so important?
    We, venezuelans, have a GIANT WALL in our mind, and it is called POLARIZATION, it is a BIG problem, it’s what keeps the remains of chavismo united, if it’s not reduced, if we don’t continue “sumando”, they might have enough support to radicalize even more and stay alive in power, and this time they might REALLY do WHATEVER they want.
    If HRA continues like that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a sustantial change in opinion polls, and how the hell are you going to do a “revocatorio” without enough support?

    quote: “I find it baffling that, a estas alturas del partido, people haven’t grasped that you can’t appease chavismo into playing nice”
    Chavismo will play nice if they are cornered in doing so. That’s why they exposed 6D results.
    And nooo, being cocky, and offending with no respect at all, doesn’t have anything to do to with cornering chavismo, it’s about being smart, it’s about “sumar” whenever you can, it’s about setting the example of what a democracy really is, it’s about acting when chavismo is cornered in playing along.

    • Madacol; I agree with you completely. As the saying goes, one attracts more flies with honey than with shit. Let’s not be the ones that create conflicts, let’s be the ones that solve conflicts. Let’s not be like them, let’s be better.

    • Weeell … actually, and I do not mean to imply anything, but…
      you do attract much more flies with shit than with honey.

      you probably do not agree but I think HRA’s attitude is more attractive to chavista sympathizers than a more somber Borges for instance.
      Besides, even the state media is helping.
      There is that saying “there is no such thing as bad publicity”,

      • Amieres. the thing with the honey is just a saying, and actually it should’ve been “You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar”, my bad. In any case, what that means is that you can attract more people if you’re not confrontational. This doesn’t mean being a yes man. I don’t think that HRA’s attitude is more attractive to a chavista. I think that attitude is more attactive to them only when they use it against us. I think that Allup’s tone of voice is better than Borges’ for our current situation, I just don’t feel that there’s a need to create confrontation, but that’s just me.

  22. All very interesting who would have done what, and so on, but you must admit HRA has character. I suspect he and his entourage have a plan in which the Chaves poster episode is no more than a fleeting moment in time.
    As an aside are Gabrielita, her siblings and Danielita in Venezuela ?

    • There’s also that. People will forget about this when the oppo unseats the TSJ. Dunno about the timelines, but imagine unseating the express magistrates by the end of the month. Or hell, maybe even next week!

      Even without that timeline, these first three months of 2016 are going to be very, very long. So I imagine that people will mostly forget about this next week.

  23. keep playing like a bunch of clown, entertaining the audience meanwhile the govt is still in power, and oxygenated be meaningless decisions like that!

  24. My take is he’s doing the right things, but he needs to tune it just a tad better.

    There are times when he goes just a smidge too far.

    In the first video to go viral he mentions putting things in the trash (que se lo lleve el aseo) which IMHO was a bit risky. The rest of what he says is spot on.

    In a couple interviews since he correctly states that no “cult of personality allowed” and how even Jose Tadeo Monagas, who killed several Congressmen IN CONGRESS no less, didn’t have the stones to put HIS portrait up there. which is good, but then he goes a bit over the line by insulting Chavez too much.

    The message is clear, change is here, the delivery needs refinement.

  25. Excellent article and fully agree with everything said. It is also important that the US DA office continues the pressure to bring to justice the narcosobrinos, the Banco De Andorra guilty parties and opens new fronts with the the corrupt likes of Rafael Ramirez and the Chavez daughter at the UN. They should be declared “persona non grata” and be sent back to Venezuela.

  26. So, Ramos Allup just went and pretty much started to list all the reasons why there’s no greater traitors to the country than the chavistas on Twitter.

    This year is going to be somewhat cathartic. Can’t wait until the next Assembly session.

  27. “Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”

    –U.S. Grant at the Battle of the Wilderness

    That chavismo’s aura of invincibility keeps taking hit after hit can only be seen as a good thing. MUD has done a lot right on this front -taking down the posters, welcoming the press back into the AN, swearing in the deputies from Amazonas, etc- and needs to fearlessly keep it coming.

    As invincible as chavismo has seemed in the past, indicators seem strong that it could be susceptible to a sudden collapse: loss of popular, military, and international support; dwindling foreign reserves; an economic crisis that cannot be solved with them in power (infrastructure is shot, no foreign investment is coming, and even the Chinese won’t keep lending them money); internal divisions within PSUV, and so on. The faster and more completely PSUV collapses, the faster and more complete the eventual recovery will be. Now is not the time for timidity.

    So I for one have no problem with HRA having the posters removed and for being unabashed about why.

    Having said that, I think HRA and MUD would be wise to avoid speaking negatively about Chávez publicly. Ticking off PSUV party hacks? Who cares. Ticking off ex-chavista common folk who defected on 6D? Their ongoing support is needed; it would unwise to give them premature buyer’s remorse for no reason.

    In this video HRA is a little too animated, a little too personal in his response. A better answer, w/o changing the substance of what he said, might have been: “Well, it’s not really appropriate to have the image of any past, present, or future president, regardless of party or ideology, displayed in that manner. So we felt it appropriate to remove them. It certainly doesn’t indicate that the voice of the minority deputies won’t be heard in the AN -it certainly will, within the rules of order- however the premises should not be adorned with partisan imagery of any kind. Not from MUD, either, incidentally.” End quote. Next question, please.

    MUD needs to show itself as pro-democracy, not anti-Chávez (sure, they’re pretty close to being the same thing, but now isn’t the right time to necessarily go *there* with the public).

    • Love the U.S. Grant quote. Until Grant’s arrival the Army of the Potomac had faith in only one General, that General being one Bobby Lee erstwhile handsomest man in the U.S. Army.

  28. Maybe HRA should not have been videoed, but, :1) This will soon be forgotten; 2) There are more important things to eliminate in the future: celebrations of Chavez’s birth, “death”, intentona 4 de Febrero, 13 de Abril, etc., ad nauseum, which will potentially create greater stirring among the diminishing “faithful”, so it seems OK to start with his poster image; 3) This has forced the Govt. into empty promising to paper the Country with Chavez likenesses, while the vast majority of the Pueblo are making lines trying to bag increasingly-scarce basic foodstuffs, realizing even more poignantly the Govt. doesn’t give a damn about their real needs; and 4) It forced the reluctant military to object and swear an oath of allegiance to Chavez, Maduro, and the Bolivarian Revolution, pissing the majority of them off even more.

  29. “I find it baffling that, a estas alturas del partido, people haven’t grasped that you can’t appease chavismo into playing nice.”

    This argument is quite myopic. No one want wants appeasement with the Chavista goverment. But there is a difference between the people in government and the Chavista voters. We want the MUD to keep the support from the Chavez supports that voted for them (or against Maduro). I wish this article focused on this point.

  30. Freaking country is circling the drain and people are whining about posters and appearances. That’s the world we live in, and underscores the need to manage perceptions. Henry was doing so when, knowing he was being videoed, he told the workers to get that shit outta here and chuck it in the trash. One can argue strategy back and forth but while we do so the colas are not getting any shorter and there’s still not any medicine and the energy sector is tanking fast etc. Given the new jefes of the financial portfolio, and the insistence of Chavista’s to do the same damn things – while folks argue over posters – this is shaping up as the most surreal clusterfuck in the Americas.

    • Exactly, the real question to be asked must be: who profits when there’s a radical focus shift from real problems to meaningless things like removing a damn poster that shouldn’t even be there?

      Thus, let’s moderate these ‘moderates’, the same ones that probably didn’t say anything when the posters were put there.

  31. What some of you say account to establish that what Ramos did was good only that he should have done it hypocritically. You agree with the arguments of the man but reject his style: both are indissoluble

    • Not hypocritically. Wisely.

      The posters did need to come down on the 1st day. Saying “¿Quién es Chávez?” was not a necessary part of the explanation.

    • As regards PSUV and institutional battles: give no quarter to a wounded beast.

      As regards la gente común y corriente: state no falsehoods, state truths selectively and tactfully

      You may think that affection for Chávez is idiotic but you won’t get anywhere calling people idiots when you need their ongoing support. People will “grow up” eventually if MUD can resolve their problems.

  32. Allup gave probably the best reason for removing the pictures of Chavez, no legislative branch in the world has pictures of Presidents in it’s building. I’m not sure that is true in all cases, but it is certainly true in many nations, such as the US, that has separate executive and legislative branches.

  33. The real, fundamental problem is that millions of people, the majority, still adore, praise and venerate Chavez. Think about that, draw your own conclusions.

    • My conclusion is that’s precisely the fundamental reason why the stupid posters must go. This cult of personality isn’t healthy and can’t go on. Out with the old and in with the new!

      • You can get rid of the hideous posters, at the AN. But they will produce thousands more now, and put’em everywhere else. The underlying, real problem is how many millions of people still Love Chavez. Why?

        • Almost 20 years of brainwashing?

          Look, the corpse was a mortal like everybody else, this ridiculous cult of personality shouldn’t be coddled, it should be mocked as the primitive and barbaric expression of communism that it is. You can argue that HRA was too harsh, but the “chavista pero no madurista” are going to have to grow up.

          “But how we can win a revocatory without them?”. And who says that a revocatory is neccesary? With a functional Supreme Court, we can start putting in trial all the boligarchs, including Maduro, and then elections can be called. Nicmer Evans can try to launch his campaign, heh.

          • “Who says the a revocatory is necessary?” That’s a good question but a moot point given that HRA already stated this as his goal in 6 months. See minute 32:30. So if one of his three objectives is to find an electoral end to the Maduro government in 6 months, he should make sure that you keep the electoral support you have for the next 6 months. Maybe he’s making a calculated move and believes this will add more support than subtract support, I sure hope so.

        • Trent,

          It is a good question, but I don’t think anyone can explain it in a few paragraphs. You really had to live here and see it. However, a good primer can be had by watching a PBS Frontline Episode called The Hugo Chavez Show. See the link to the video below:

          I hope this helps you and any other latecomers to C.C. to grasp what sort of political phenomenon Chavez was.

        • They don’ t love him because he was great, but only because they were brainwashed by hours and hours of terrible propaganda. That’ s why we have to take down all the posters and educate people. But if we respect the cult and simply do nothing it will never go away. We simply have to have understand that. We must do everything in our power to remove that cult and Ramos Allup showed that right now it can be done, that it is possible.

  34. In fact, no one has shed a tear about the damm posters. Only Maduro and it had no real-life repercussions. God is dead. Nothing happened. We have to believe it. The workers didn’ t refuse to take the posters down and Ramos Allup got away with it quite easily! Maybe, there is no need for that cult anymore. Maybe we have to get used to it. I think PJ is afraid of that change.

  35. So, Ramos Allup made a Twitter statement that says that he isn’t apologizing for anything:

    And there’s this last interview:

    We get to the core of the subject: And who is Chávez? Not even José Tadeo Monagas, that ordered his forces to enter the Assembly and kill all the deputies, had the chupzah of putting a picture of himself on the Assembly. Only these bastards have been shameless enough. The cult has to be struck, it has to be made clear that Chávez is not this near-mythological figure, and much less is on the same level as Bolívar. Speaking off, the fake Bolívar is an offense and it also has to go.

    Why should we apologize to a bunch of corrupt thieves that haven’t respected anybody that opposed them? Allup is on the right track and he doubled down and repeated it: Take the Chávez portraits to Miraflores, to Sabaneta, to the thrash, but they have no place on the Assembly.

  36. I disagree.
    Basically the article shows accurately how the Government has done whatever they want to keep themselves in power. And because of that MUD needs to go hard against the Government. Ok with that.

    But I disagree that you need to the same with the supporters. MUD is looking for legal ways to get rid of this Gov and to success we need more chavistas to cross the line and support el cambio. On the eyes of chavistas, MUD needs to be the alternative, not just a bunch of people getting rid of what there was before. What I ask to MUD and specially Allup is to take care on HOW they do what they have to do. The controversy over ANTV and el difunto posters are our recent examples. Yes, we need to get rid of the posters, but you dont have to behave like an enchufado to do it. In defense of Allup, he probably didnt know he was being recorded. Yes, we needed to make changes in ANTV but because he failed to properly explain what that means, he ended up having to explain at a press conference that he wasn’t talking about the workers but the directive. Both controversies could have been avoided. The Gov will always attack whatever the MUD does but at least there shouldnt be showvids on the internet that help the Gov to put more gasoline on the flames.

    I will go further. Attacking what is still sacred for chavistas is bad timing. I think attacking al Difunto at this moment wont help us to increase the number of supporters but the opposite. El difunto needs to really die, needs to be ignored, avoid to talk about him, and definitely not attack him. Even the word chavismo should be erradicated from opposition speeches, tweets or any form of communication. El difunto is the responsible of this crisis of course but not according chavismo. For them the problem is Maduro, either because he is not taking the right steps, or because El Imperio and la guerra económica and all other scific enemies of the nation are beating him and his team. We need to destroy the Government first, then we can charge against the chavismo ideology.

  37. The chavistas’ attitude, even before their defeat, is something akin to what Henry Ford said about his Model T car: “Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.” That is: even if they lose the election, nothing can be different. The country must take other course, but beware of any change. It is not a simple contradiction, it is pure schizophrenia. They haven’t learn in 17 years how to be political. Indeed, if something, they have UNLEARNED to be political. They see every compromise or agreement or negotiation as a treason. Let’s hope the new Parliament has not only good ideas and energy, but patience…

  38. Great article and great responses all.

    HRA has done a great thing IMO. He is demonstrating his alpha male role in the action to come.

    Let him be the actor to fulfill his role. Others, need to Also play their roles well, all the new assemblymen/woman and their deputies and their teams, for instance, should be deeply involved en trabajo de hormigita.

    Leadership persons such as HCR, and Julio Borges specially need to play good cop roles. I wish to think there is some coordination and strategy to it all. as long as there is unity and a common strategy towards a greater goal, we should be ok with different actors playing different roles.

    The key lies in messaging and narrative I think, we need to make clear that in 17 yrs. we have lost the greatest opportunity the nation ever had, and that the chavismo movement has been the largest scam ever.

    We need to educate the nation what could have been done with the resources, what was actually done, and were the finances are (donde estan los reales?), and more importantly, go after the criminals that made it so. this should be the role of the AN.

    sorting out the national situation the economy etc. is beyond their roles. Easy to say I know as anyone with two working neurons should be panicking bay know with the upcoming hyperinflation spiral and mounting social explosion.

    Again IMO is not going to be possible to stop the explosion as the chavismo has been working towards it fro 20 years non stop. Our hope is to be able to explain and educate people of the real causes of it and have a better foundation to rebuild from, my thoughts again.

    I really hope I am wrong again and our own bochinche saves us again from a real reckoning and more catastrophic showdown scenarios.


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