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This post was retracted, as it appears to be wrong. It’s superceded by this post, written the following day.

Going into this weekend, I think many of us took it for granted the government would try to pick off a few governorships on the margin. Like they’d lose 18 out of 23 and claim they’d only lost 15.

I don’t think many of us expected this, a straight-up, güevoafuera grab for 17 governorships, including in deep-blue urban states like Miranda where it just strains all credulity to think the government could win.

CNE claims that, nationwide, the government scored 54% of the popular vote — despite polling consistently showing them trailing the opposition by 2-to-1 margins, which is what you’d expect, given the economic cataclysm the government has presided over.

The ball now goes to the international community.

In this opinion climate, it’s not possible to steal an election subtly. You’re not close enough to do it elegantly. You have to just straight-up steal it, announcing entirely made-up results.

They went there.

It’ll be relatively straightforward to show that conclusively —a fraud this blatant leaves plenty of evidence, and MUD’s job is now to collect it, document it and present it. It’s a dreary job, but it’s important to do it diligently.

The ball now goes to the international community. A new round of U.S. sanctions should come relatively quickly, and can be expected to be substantially harsher than the first. Oh, and the first formal E.U. meeting to consider sanctions on Venezuela is scheduled for…tomorrow.

Venezuela long ago proved it’s entirely possible to be shocked by a development that you don’t find in any way surprising. Tonight is one of those nights.

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  1. Unfortunately, the shock is not that the Oppo didn’t win the vast majority of governorships, but they were allowed to win as many as 5. As for the erstwhile MUD proving conclusive fraud–good luck with that….

    • “proving conclusive fraud–good luck with tha”

      The law of electoral processes has chavismo’s colective ass covered.

      In the case of any inconsistency, what matters is the made-up numbers stored in the machines, nothing else.

  2. On all honestly this is the best possible result in the world.
    At least during the ANC fraud there was STILL the smallest possibility they might pact afterwards and do a negotiated transition.
    Now its finally impossible. This people will never negotiate. Coup is the only way out.

    • There are no coups against an invading force.

      And chavismo is a puppet of the cuban occupational forces.

      Therefore, ANYTHING done to get chavismo out of power is completely valid.

      Anything.

  3. You are crazy if you think the international community or the US will “immediately” impose sanctions. They, unlike the rest of venezolanos, saw this coming. Same verse, same song, same results. You can’t denounce you have a dictatorship and at the same time rally to democratically vote. Nonsense!

  4. I was also shocked by this development but in retrospect it makes all too much sense.

    First, its entirely consistent with the rest of the government’s strategy since losing the National Assembly, which basically has amounted to never compromising and always looking to provoke confrontation.

    Second, while a departure from the practices of the Chavez era, this is actually a classic authoritarian ploy more generally. You make fraud obvious as a way of demoralizing your opponents, to make them think that its useless to challenge you. If Maduro’s greatest fear is being boxed into accepting a presidential election in 2018 against a highly mobilized and united opposition, what better way to escape that possibility than to overtly demonstrate to the opposition that he is willing to make up whatever electoral result necessary? It will now be virtually impossible to get an opposition consensus behind pushing for 2018 presidential elections as a strategic centerpiece because many will (perhaps rightfully) argue that the electoral path to removing chavismo is hopeless. And even if an election is scheduled, it will be that much harder for the opposition to get its base to turn out.

    • Partes de una falacia entonces, Stolk, porque si todo el sistema es fraudulento, por lógica pues hubo fraude en esta elección también, no puedes decir “todo es fraudulento, menos este proceso específicamente”

      La gente no es tan estúpida para regresarse a ser chavista de nuevo luego de que el chavismo los jodió, y tampoco sirve eso de que “los convencieron con una promesa de alguna cosa regalada”, el que dejó de ser chavista dejó de serlo para siempre, todos los que “se regresaron” simplemente nunca dejaron de ser arrastrados rojos, como arias gallina cárdenas y ricardito sánchez.

      Es fraude, igual que el de la prostituyente, e igual que el de una docena de elecciones anteriores en chavismo, se cambian los números de los votos en las salas de totalización del CNE luego de que los cubanos sacan y meten las cantidades de votos que necesitan, eso lo confirmó Leamsy Salazar hace unos años cuando fué a cantar al Imperio.

      Es absurdo que hayan quienes sigan creyendo la mentira de que el chavismo es mayoría en algún lado desde 2005 cuando demostraron que no pasaban de 15%.

    • Y escribes eso desde EUA? Yo lo digo: escribo desde Europa pero lo que me dice mucha gente de zonas rurales antiguamente chavistas y desde hace años opositoras me dicen otra cosa, independientemente de lo inepto que es la MUD con lo de las boletas (algo que conozco desde elcomienzo)

    • No apuesto porque no tengo como pagar (Soy un depilador de esféricas como dice el eufemismo) pero esoy seguro que esto es sencillamente para tratar de hacer creer la falacia que el chavismo está llegando a sus susodichos 10 millones.

      Y Kepler, gente que deja de ser chavista en verdad no se regresa por muy inútil e inepta que sea la MUD (Si es que tu comentario negando la cosa iba dirigido al mío) porque generalmente la circunstancia que los hace romper con el chavismo suele ser algo traumático como la pérdida de un familiar o de un negocio que les tomó años levantar.

      Alguien que pierde un hijo y entiende que es culpa del chavismo no se va a vender por una lavadora si le queda algo de escrúpulos (A diferencia de las basuras del comité de acusadores de la guarimba que vendieron a sus muertos, esos están podridos ya)

    • Yo no lo esperaba.

      Yo estaba seguro que sólo serían dos gobernaciones para la MUD.

      Sin embargo, como ahora son más que las pasadas, esperen los discursitos gafos de la MUD diciéndole a la gente que “Estamos progresando, para la siguiente elección vamos a ganarles más, esto es un triunfo súperguay, sigamos con la votadera por 30 años más porque esto es trabajo de hormiguita, y al que no le guste que coja un fusil para que vaya a matarse sólo”

  5. I like the “guevoafuera” phrase but it would be better to say that to encompass all of this is better to say “guevoadentro” ‘cause that’s what these fuckers keep doing and that’s what the fucking clowns of the MUD keep allowing to get some migajas de poder. Que apague la luz el último. Oops sorry…se robaron el bombillo y hasta los cables de esa verga y ni corriente había porque hasta el generador de jodio. So fuck off. It’s probably most bizarre that fucking North Korea and rocket man.

  6. The key for a MUD victory was to have a high participation rate. The 61% participation claimed by the CNE (which presumably includes the null votes) was a pessimistic scenario for the MUD.

    According to the data provided by the CNE, the participation rate for Miranda was lower than the national average. In contrast, it was higher in Anzoategui and the outcome benefited the MUD.

  7. Have said it once, will say it again. There are only four possible alternatives to Venezuela: foreign intervention, military coup, crippling ECONOMIC sanctions or some sort of guerrilla. Not saying that these option are going to be pain free or even likely to happen. But what will certainly not happen is regime change through sending Venezuela’s unnarmed young and best to be slaughtered by government thugs.

  8. “I don’t think many of us expected this”… POR FAVOR” repito yo también. Ustedes dicen que hay dictadura y luego se sorprenden de que esta se haga realidad con sus actuaciones. A pesar de llevar tantos años analizando la realidad de su país y estar acertados en tantas cosas, hay también algo en la base de sus planteamientos que falla por completo. Háganselo mirar.

  9. What the fuck where people expecting ???? A dictatorship that would say “okay we lost so we’ll leave” How amazingly dumb, blind and ignorant can one be thinking the results would be any different than the ones presented by the upper cunt Lucena?? I’m stunned that they still gave 5 states to the to MUD. After loosing the AN elections they would never ever allow loosing face that way ever again. MUD’s strategy has been wrong in so many ways from that victorious day in December 2015. It showed us how the chavistas are ALWAYS three moves ahead of the opposition. They play them like sockpupets every single time. God knows how they fucked it up in December 2015 but it was clear to be a one off misstep for Chavismo. And now the MUD will probably never get the people behind them ever again. This was the final nail in the MUD’s coffin. Let’s see what “el bravo pueblo’s” reaction will be when they wake up this morning with an ass that’s be fucked without any lubricant!? I sincerely hope they start to prepare for a civil war asap. Living conditions will only slight further down the hill, the bottom is not nearly in sight. This dictatorship WILL cough up that 3,6 billion to wall street in the next 6 weeks, watch my words. Chavismo couldn’t give less of a fuck how many people die of hunger or lack of medicines!

    Viva CUBAZUELA por siempre,… unless people pick up arms and start fighting chavismo for real!

  10. This is when MUD unleash their Plan B and demonstrate why they are still leading a big chunk of a nation and why we are all here, behind our computers, typing these words. (I hope).

    • So how’s life in Utopia, must be sweet. Is ignorance widely spread or are you just one of the few infected? Fucking MUD would recognize a plan if it was jumping up and down right in front of them.

      • Pretty shitty, actually. Because I miss my mum, my family and I hate good people like them and good people like you are having to endure this misery. So, you know, going through a lot of guilt and despair at the moment, thanks for asking.

        Still wondering what’s YOUR strategy (apart from waiting for the marines obvs)?

        • For over a year now I’ve been shouting here on CC for a civil war. There won’t be any international military intervention ever so it’s up to “el bravo pueblo”. Thing is that the don’t seem to care fighting for a democracy and a better outlook on life in general. They rather do what they’ve been doing for the last 18 years …. fuck all. Without a civil war I think it’s time for “el bravo pueblo” to start learning the words to the glorious Cuban national anthem.

          La Bayamesa;

          ¡Al combate, corred, Bayameses!,
          Que la patria os contempla orgullosa;
          No temáis una muerte gloriosa,
          Que morir por la patria es vivir.

          En cadenas vivir es vivir
          En afrenta y oprobio sumidos,
          Del clarín escuchad el sonido;
          ¡A las armas, valientes, corred!

          Viva Cubazuela, Patria, Socialismo o Muerte no Jodaaaaaaaaas!

        • There have been many options that have been described to you in other articles before, it’s not our fault that you want your strategy of “Waiting for the chavismo to magically leave after losing one election” to become true when it’s an impossible and delirious dream.

    • It’s a shame it’s not subtitled because besides being very funny Mr Lubach explaines very well in 15 minutes how things are right now in Venezuela, that is the Netherlands biggest bordering country.

  11. I expected exactly this result. In fact I told my girlfriend that the reason she should vote was to force the government to do exactly what they did. The Opposition has now forced them to not merely cheat, but to cheat in a manner so unsubtle as to be obvious to even the moderately informed observer.

    The real question is what does the Opposition do next to capitalize on this?

    • “I expected exactly this result. In fact I told my girlfriend that the reason she should vote was to force the government to do exactly what they did. The Opposition has now forced them to not merely cheat, but to cheat in a manner so unsubtle as to be obvious to even the moderately informed observer.”

      Yeah, now MUD’s got ’em right where they wanted ’em. insert eye roll emoticon here

  12. “I don’t think many of us expected this, a straight-up, güevoafuera grab for 17 governorships”

    If you paid attention what a lot of us have been saying for years now (and refrain from the condescending sigh) you would not be shocked. OK, now start blogging about how to prepare for the presidential election and how to make sure they do not cheat.

  13. Why are people so surprised with this result? I don’t get it. Wasn’t the ANC election enough to prove that the CNE is a total sham?

    Are we just believing that all the elections are going to be clean just because they let us win the AN two years ago?

  14. Por favor, Mr. Toro, no vayas a borrar todo el artículo reemplazándolo con otra cosa, en todo caso táchalo y coloca luego la corrección.

  15. I’m finally convinced that adults don’t change, we can change until we complete 16, 17 years old, but our values, our morality, our principles, will be already defined for life after that age. Most of the people who have been fooled by Chavez once haven’t changed at all, they are still the same. As Ulamog said, the death of a relative, or the destruction of a decades old family company, may pitch them against Chavismo, but that won’t prevent them from supporting parties similar to Chavismo, be in Venezuela or elsewhere. And that is the root of the endless Venezuelan chaos.

    The battle in Venezuela will be long, very long, and will involve tanks and fighter planes, and the culprits are the ones who are opposing only the acronym PSUV, and not what PSUV really stands for. Former Chavistas simply can’t take Venezuela out of this. They can’t!!!

    • chavismo pulled out of its ass more than 7 million fake votes for their prostituyente farce (It’s a stillborn and rotten child since they never made the aprobatory referendum first that is obligatory), so what did make anyone think that they wouldn’t do the same trick here?

  16. “Last night was very strange. I’m retracting this post while we figure out what actually happened”
    Señor Toro … como es la vaina??? De pana??

  17. Creo que prefieren echarle la culpa a los abstencionistas que hacer el ridículo y aceptar 1)que fueron tan idiotas de participar en las elecciones, 2)que ni siquiera tienen las actas.

    Y, por supuesto, ya están pensando en las municipales.

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