Punishment For The Abusers

For Thursday, May 31, 2018. Translated by Javier Liendo.

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Photo: El Universal

Canada’s government announced this Wednesday new sanctions against chavista officers that it deems “responsible for the worsening of democracy in Venezuela,” increasing the amount of sanctioned Venezuelan officers to 70. For Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland, these sanctions are a message that the Venezuelan regime’s anti-democratic behavior has consequences and they show Canada’s commitment to defend democracy and human rights across the world. The measures against these officers include asset freezes and dealings prohibitions for Canadian persons to do business with them. The sanctioned individuals are:

  • From the ANC: Tania Valentina Díaz González, Carolys Helena Pérez González, Cilia Adela Flores de Maduro, Ramón Darío Vivas Velasco.
  • From the TSJ: Christian Tyrone Zerpa, Fanny Beatriz Márquez Cordero, Malaquías Gil Rodríguez, Jhannett María Madriz Sotillo, Indira Maira Alfonzo Izaguirre.
  • From the CNE: Carlos Enrique Quintero Cuevas, rector suplente y general secretary Xavier Antonio Moreno Reyes.
  • Others: Fidel Ernesto Vásquez Iriarte, general director of the Vice-president’s Office; Libertador mayor Erika Farías Peña; and Carlos Alberto Rotondaro Cova, former chairman of the Social Security Institute (IVSS).

Against political apartheid

The Inter American Court of Human Rights unanimously recognized that layoffs for signing in favor of the recall referendum in 2004 in Venezuela, constitute human rights violation: “the Venezuelan State is liable for the violation against the political rights and freedom of thought and expression of citizens Rocío San Miguel Sosa, Magally Chang Girón and Thais Coromoto Peña. Likewise, it found that Venezuela is liable for the misuse of power and political discrimination involved in the arbitrary termination of their employment contracts,” the Court’s document says. 14 years ago, many Venezuelans who worked as public servants were victims of discrimination for requesting the activation of the Constitutional mechanism against then president Hugo Chávez. These individuals were identified through the infamous “Lista Tascón,” named after late lawmaker Luis Tascón, who requested the CNE the names of all those who signed for authentication purposes. Once granted, the CNE’s list was leaked across all the public administration and was used to lay off or exclude citizens based on their political tendency. This is a great victory for the human rights movement, for trade and labor unions and for the many victims of political discrimination in Venezuela.

Challenging

Henri Falcón submitted before the Supreme Tribunal of Justice a measure challenging the results of the May 20 elections, where Nicolás was “re-elected.” Repeating like a mantra that today he’ll talk about everything he talked about yesterday, he announced the creation of a new opposition platform made up of the parties Avanzada Progresista, Copei, MAS, Movimiento Ecológico and Bandera Roja, a coalition that he hopes will raise “collective awareness.” His challenge, backed by 34,000 ballots, is focused on how the government and PSUV used bribes to buy votes, as well as irregularities such as assisted vote, red stations, carnet de la patria scans, the closing of voting centers at the behest of PSUV and even reports that some witnesses were barred from entering voting centers. These elements would serve as evidence that the electoral process is invalid, and that the Constitution was violated on May 20 along with the agreement of electoral guarantees. According to journalist Eugenio Martínez, Falcón’s challenge “is based on the same criteria used by PSUV to challenge parliamentary elections in 2015.”

Back then, the TSJ ruled the suspension of all effects of vote tallying, adjudication and proclamation.

Simultaneously

The Democratic Unity Roundtable (MUD) announced its third relaunch with a brand-new set of regulations which, among other details, replaces the general secretariat with the Leadership Board, composed of a representative of each one of the parties with larger parliamentary presence (Acción Democrática, Primero Justicia, Voluntad Popular, Un Nuevo Tiempo, La Causa R and Movimiento Progresista) and one representing the coalition’s minority parties.

Lawmaker Simón Calzadilla clarified that decisions will be adopted by consensus of the majority and that in this relaunch, there will be nine work groups: study of power; coordination with the Broad Front; opposition to the government’s administration; political communications; prospective; electoral tasks; governability and proposals; organization and activism; and international affairs. All of this segmentation seeks to accomplish a more efficient structure.

Abroad

  • Cuban president Miguel Díaz-Canel came to Venezuela to visit chavismo’s seven temples: the National Pantheon, the ANC, the Cuartel de la Montaña, etc.; naturally, he was granted an order in the name of some independence hero. Nicolás announced new assistance agreements for Cuba, as if Reuters’ report of $440 million spent on oil for the island, amidst this humanitarian crisis, had been a dream.

  • Foreign Minister Roberto Ampuero said that the Chilean government is willing to study the recommendation made by the OAS to accuse Venezuela before the International Criminal Court for human rights violations, explaining that the interesting part is that, in the ICC, “responsibility is personal, it doesn’t dilute (…) When the ICC acts, it determines guilts and they are linked to individuals,” adding that they’re going to study the cases to keep substantiating them and that they have the best disposition to do it because it’s about tremendously serious human rights violations.
  • Colombian president Juan Manuel Santos thanked the European Union for their plan in assisting the flux of refugees fleeing from Venezuela. For Santos, Nicolás has caused the worst humanitarian crisis “ever seen.”
  • Eurochamber Speaker Antonio Tajani said that the stability efforts made by Santos “are at risk due to Venezuela’s worrisome situation,” and this risk is that the situation intensifies and “escalates into a true refugee crisis.”

  • Upon leaving his meeting with indecisive president Lenín Moreno, José Miguel Vivanco, Human Rights Watch’s director for the Americas, called Ecuador to join the stream of international condemnation for human rights violations in Venezuela, encouraging the country to publicly speak out in “cases as dramatic and serious” as ours.
  • The same day that the OAS agreed with the Inter American Commission on Human Rights and the Nicaraguan government to create a group to investigate the violence that’s taken place since April 18, and amidst the holding of the demonstration called “The Mother of all marches” during the Nicaraguan Mother’s Day, shots were fired in Managua’s University avenue, resulting in many people wounded. Following the live narrating of journalist Wilfredo Miranda Aburto (@PiruloAr on Twitter) was pure anguish. So far there isn’t an official version or a balance of people injured.

The period to declare Income Taxes expires this Thursday, May 31.

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  1. Here is something interesting. Power went out at 1 am here and my plant did not kick in…so now I’m wide awake, what the hell is wrong with my baby I’m thinking as I crawl out of bed and go stumbling around for my phone so I can use it as a flashlight. When I get outside I find the plant has lost it’s fuel prime due to a leaky manual primer pump so I spend the next 3 and a half hours trying to purge the air out of the lines and get it going again. Of course with the same leaky primer pump it was futile so I gave up around 4:30 am when my boys showed up to go fishing and pull our nets. Just as I was opening my gates for the boys, I saw the power come back on in the building across the street and thought to myself: Self, you had better wait until it stabilises before you go flick the transfer switch back to street power when at that very same moment there were 2 consecutive explosions that lit up the sky to the north as 2 separate substations flamed up like the rising sun. Then the transformer at the end of the street exploded (not mine, I have my own personal transformer for the posada) and all the power take offs in all the neighbours houses melted off of the main lines and dangled in the street and the power went out again, so I shuffled the boys inside the yard and dug out a little portable power plant so we could at least fire up the coffee machine and drink a cup of coffee in the light before we loaded up to go fishing. I decided to stay back this time so I could go find a mechanic and get help getting the plant going, also I had my wife panicking that all of our food was going to go bad if we don’t get the power back on so I prioritised the plant and sent the boys off to pull the nets by themselves. I was coming home from launching my dragon off the beach out front when I turned onto my street and saw 6 armed to the teeth men standing around my car gate. I was still analysing the situating as i got close enough to see that they were PTJ so now my options are keep driving past them or stop at my car gate and face the music. Since they were bound to stop me anyway I decided it was a smarter choice to stop at my gate. Had they been thieves, I would have aimed for the middle of them and floored it and kept going past my house where my wife and children were still sleeping. But they weren’t so I stopped in front of my gate and they immediately surrounded my truck and pointed their automatic weapons at my head while one of them came over to interrogate me. First thing he asked me was: “what nationality are you?” I honestly didn’t know if it was a smart idea to say Canadian as the Canadian government just sanctioned a bunch of Chavistas so I answered: “I’m from right here!!!, this is my house. “Where were you just now? the interrogation continued, “let me see your cedula, what do you do for a living, who lives in this house next to you, where are these people?” Bombarding me with questions and not even giving me time to answer them. Just then my wife and mother in law approached the gate from the inside and started screaming that I was the owner of the house and I was just trying to come home to which one of the Petajota’s turned to them and rudely told them to shut up and calm down that they had nothing to say in the matter that interested them. Finally they decided I was legit and focused on the neighbours house again as they were in the process of trying to capture him when I pulled up. They went and got a battering ram and smashed the shit out of all of the windows and positively flattened the front door and it’s iron bar protector so they could go in and search the empty house. Turns out they were looking for one of the neighbour kids, my wife just told me the whole story as she went out to the corner after it was all over to catch the gossip from the crowd gathered at the end of the street. Turns out that about a week ago the PTJ came at 4 am and busted down the other neighbours door and hauled off their youngest son, 16 or 17, he’s not 18 yet and they have been beating the shit out of him day and night for the last week to get him to rat out his other buddies who are house breaking with him. Turns out one of the people he implicated was his older brother who sleeps next door to me so they were here looking to pick him up as well. So far none of this is bothering me because as I’ve mentioned before, these little bastards are quite brave while they are beating you up in front of your children or holding a knife on your baby girl’s throat so patience is wearing thin. Anyway, the older brother must have known his little brother was going to crack because he has been hiding for the last week and was not sleeping in the house next door to me where he usually is. So the Petajota started on the family, where is your son, oh you don’t know hey? Ok we’re taking the other brother and the dad (both of whom are solid and actually work and stay out of trouble) and they proceeded to hog tie the middle brother and the father of the family infront of everyone and toss them in the back of one of the trucks. Yeah they threw them both in there. Wife explained that they told the mother of this family to tell her son to turn himself in or they were coming back for her and the little sister as well. And that they would be beating the father and the son they just took hourly until he showed up. Wife tells me she was sobbing uncontrollably, saying that she knew her kids were up to no good, she knew what she had living under her roof but she ignored it. She ignored it because when she goes to bed without any supper she can see that it hurts them, and they go out to steal. And when she wakes up in the morning there is a couple of kilos of yuka on the kitchen table, and she knows it’s stolen but how can she blame them? And all the other neighbour ladies are nodding their heads sympathetically. So its just like I said before, there are MANY moms out there sending their children to the street to rob people. It’s totally justified in their heads….and really, who wouldn’t steal when you are watching your family starve…shit I don’t know, I guess I keep telling myself that I would never let things go that far but… and the part that really bothers me is that those psychopathic petajotas are stooping to some disgustingly low levels to get these kids to turn themselves in. I save the best for last, apparently one of the dirty bastards actually insinuated that they would go to town on the little sister (rape) if they had to come back again for them.

    • Petajotas? Are they cops? They sound like thugs with a badge.

      Anyway, pure class. Who to cheer for, eh? The scumbag thieves or the scumbag agents of despotism?

      I find it hard to imagine what it must be like there. God bless you and yours that you can find a way to wade through that mess.

      • The old Policia Técnica Judicial, a sort of Venezuelan FBI was renamed CICPC by Chavez.

        They were known as PTJ, or PeTeJota.

        Doesn’t roll off the tongue the same when you try to say “Los CICPC”.

        Plus, PETEJOTAS is what they were called for decades

  2. Petejotas (don’t know if I’m spelling it right) are bad assed killing machines who specialise in dealing with thugs and if you show up on their radar and they think they can get something from you they will fuck you over. They demand their payoffs in dollars now and will go with the highest bidder, fuck who’s right and who’s wrong.
    And thank you for your blessings and thank you CC chronicles for giving me a place to vent, can’t tell my friend or family back home whats up because they would worry more than they already do. My apologies in advance for being off topic, thank you Naky and Javier for all your hard work here, you are both very appreciated.

    • @Marc….off topic? No way! This is the kind of “life at street level” information that appears all too rarely . You and a few others do a good job of acting as eyes and ears for the rest of us. Know that there are people you are not even aware of who are praying for the safety of you and your family as you try to navigate your way through the increasingly hellish calamity that has befallen Venezuela.

  3. Meanwhile, from the out of control clown car that is the Trump administration, massive tarrifs have just been imposed on Canadian steel and aluminum for “national security reasons”.

    Begging the question: why do decades of massive and ongoing oil imports to the USA from Venezuela, used to underwrite the Chavez, Maduro and Castro regimes, get a pass? Still?

    The answer is that the greatest threat to the Trump administration is democracy, the rule of law, and basic human reason. So yes, continue paying Venezuela for oil in dollars being used to subsidize the Cuban regime you’ve embargoed, and turn your industries into subsidized guisos for political favorites on the Chavez and Putin model, you hard ass MAGA geniuses…

    Oh I know, don’t think about that, think about this: Justin, Hilary, Canadians, Europeans….et cetera…

      • He apparently doesn’t think the crimes of the regime rise to the level of crimes against humanity, but I am sure he will freak over my spelling of tariffs and my lack of deference to El Gringo Galactico Naranjo.

        • Nothing on the Trump sanctions against Canada. Disappointing. I guess they are all busy researching tariffs and Canada on Breitbart, RT and Fox….

          • Seriously cannuck, ‘dafuq happened to you?

            You used to contribute informative, insightful, pithy, dare I say even brilliant, comments about events unfolding in Venezuela.

            Now, it’s almost purely waiting for an opportunity to jump some Trumpster’s shit, and if not given that opporutunity, you create one. I hated the Magic Man as much as the next guy, but I’ve never seen anyone so easily triggered.

            A secret though. I enjoy watching you come unhinged.

    • Cnuckles. They are any number of web sites 100% dedicated to spewing TDS. You’d fit right in. For example: http://www.nytimes.com; or for more advanced TDS, try this one: http://www.wapo.com. Delightful echo chambers for you to wallow in. No TDS Hyperbole is over the top, and you can score frequent virtue signalling points that you can exchange for shopping discounts or airline miles.

      And since you are rightfully concerned about cutting off Cuba from sources of hard currency, perhaps you should direct your sanctimonious umbrage at all the Canadian sex tourists that support those evil fucks.

      https://www.insightcrime.org/news/brief/canadians-among-most-common-sex-tourists-in-cuba-investigation/

    • (I would have posted sooner, but I couldn’t stop laughing.)

      Is this the same Canada which has been sending thousands of tourists to Cuba to help prop up their dictatorship? And to our Florida beaches, supporting this evil empire which is the biggest threat to democracy in the world?

      You heard it folks. He claims Trump is the biggest threat to democracy in the world because Trump is trying to correct an unfair trade balance.

      “Boo hoo! Those Americans care more about themselves than us!”

      But it’s the level of this Trump attack which is so ridiculous, not to mention so OT. Claiming that Trump SHOULD have imposed an embargo on VZ oil, and at the same time, claiming you would have SUPPORTED that? Who the hell are you kidding?

      Trump could have walked on water, and you would have complained, “But look. He got his feet wet!”

      My God. Your feet must be very clean, because you continue to put your foot in your mouth.

      • Ira, I’ve been commenting here about the disconnect between successive White Houses’ rhetoric on Venezuela and American buying of Venezuelan oil, and where that revenue goes, for a long time here. In fact, back in around the first decade of this century, I probably linked a few Thomas Friedman columns in support of my position (I know, god help me, the *failing New York Times*).

        But you’ve only shown up here since about November 2016, with your Trump-sized horn and state of arrested development, and you’re not big on understanding what other people think, and just want to throw out your thoughts, so I get that.

        An intelligent person might observe: well, it is in Canada’s interest that Americans not purchase so much Venezuelan oil, and as for America’s interest, any sort of embargo would have affected our economic well being coming out of the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression, and it would have hurt Venezuelans, who are still in a position to vote the buggers out of office… or some line of argument like that… to which I might say, yes, I can understand that point of view.

        But that would be a discussion between two adults…

        Now back to….Canadians! Sex tourists! Socialists! Justin! Hillary!….

        • Ad hominem attack. I am sure you have examples, wait, here’s one: “Your state of arrested development.”

          You preferred Trotsky to Stalin, I know, I know. Your parents were Communists, so you’re one. My parents were Catholics, so I’m one. I deny and deny, but it’s in my genes.

          You hate the US… oh, don’t say you don’t, we already know you…

          But what I don’t understand, and never will about Communists, is WHY would you and your Sputniks be willing to sacrifice entire nations to your threadbare credo? WHY? Humiliation, torture, starvation, hopelessness…seems to me that Che, Ulyanov, Castro and Cuba Libre ain’t quite worth it.

          I can FEEL your disdain. Another dumbass American, como soy.

          • There have been plenty of smart Americans commenting here. Back in the day when my pseudonym wasn’t ironic in this discussion forum. Even a couple of women. They have largely moved on, and I don’t blame them.

        • Canuck, you’ve gotten to the point now where it’s even worthless to read your posts. I’m replying to your post above, and admit that I didn’t even read it.

          I just don’t have the time to clog up my life with your stupidity.

    • Part 1 “Meanwhile, from the out of control clown car that is the Trump administration, ”

      The irony is that while I’m far from Trump’s biggest fan, it seems like the Leftist opposition to him has been the ones in the out of control clown car. It takes some incredibly stupid

      “massive tarrifs have just been imposed on Canadian steel and aluminum for “national security reasons”.”

      Which is unfortunate but not that surprising. Those are strategic resources

      “Begging the question: why do decades of massive and ongoing oil imports to the USA from Venezuela, used to underwrite the Chavez, Maduro and Castro regimes, get a pass? Still?”

      A: I don’t give Trump a pass on that, in fact I still bitterly gripe about it. But then I’m a Neo-Con, and I’ve been outlooking for a while. Like it or not Trump got into office on a platform of at least limited consolidation and drawdown. So I have to bitterly fight about that.

      and

      B: You wanna criticize the wood content of someone’s eye while ignoring the plank in your own?

      Why do decades of intense trade and tourist work between Canada (and elsewhere) on one hand and the Castro dictatorship that has tyrannized Cuba get a pass? Still?

      And let’s be blunt here. Both the continued US oil trade with Venezeula and Canada’s trade with the Castros are shameful and repugnant.

      Some of the key differences are

      A: The Castro Brothers actually took this world to the brink of *nuclear war* against the wishes of not just the free world, but also their key sponsors. The Chavistas have not had the oppertunity to try such mischief.

      B: Canada has been trading with the Castros for decades longer than the US has been trading with a Chavez-run Venezuelan government.

      and

      C: Since Cuba has been a sponsor of Communist terrorism (including the Chavistas) as El Guapo and Ulamog kindly remind us, the funding that goes to support the Kwantung-army-like network of military and secret police run companies probably has a more direct role in helping establish and maintain the Chavista dictatorship than the US financing has been.

      US Oil purchases help the Chavistas make payroll (ok, they don’t but you get the idea; putting in just enough currency to keep the sewage flowing and enough VIPs paid off). But Canadian and other trade with the Castros helped *Make* the Chavistas, as well as the intelligence and military cadres that help keep them in power.

      Both are Despicable acts. But I’m more than willing to chew Trump out for that. What have you done to agitate your Government to clean up its own house regarding Caribbean dictators?

      The Bible has something to say about the self-righteous criticizing someone for a mote of wood in the eye while ignoring a plank in their own. That doesn’t mean the criticism that someone has a mote in their eye isn’t *valid or accurate*, but it also means that if they truly are as concerned as they posture, they have an obligation to look at problems closer to themselves.

      “The answer is that the greatest threat to the Trump administration is democracy, the rule of law, and basic human reason. ”

      Riiiight. Since when does selective persecution count as “the rule of law”?

      Since when does trying to play apologist for violent gangs count as human reason?

      And democracy is tyranny unless maintained and moderated by the rights of the individual and the rule of law. That is why neither the US or Canada is a pure democracy, they are a democratic republic and a constitutional Parliamentary monarchy.

      “So yes, continue paying Venezuela for oil in dollars being used to subsidize the Cuban regime you’ve embargoed, and turn your industries into subsidized guisos for political favorites on the Chavez and Putin model, you hard ass MAGA geniuses…”

      Again, how much vitrol have you put out to Canada for enabling the Castros for far longer? How long have you been agitating for sanctions against them?

      “Oh I know, don’t think about that, think about this: Justin, Hilary, Canadians, Europeans….et cetera…”

      I have to think about all of that and more, because a bunch of jagoffs decided it was a swell idea to abort the minimum freaking standards for classified intel handling and equal treatment before the law. I would GLADLY prefer concentrating on existential threats like the Chavistas, Castro, Putin, the various flavors of Islamist, and of course the PRC.

      But it’s kind of hard to get a word in edgewise when you are dealing with a political circus at home. And no, Canucklehead, Trump is NOT solely responsible for that. For the same reason the internal politics clown cars are not solely limited to the US.

      On the whole, both Canada and America are slowly, SLOWLY taking positive steps in the right direction. As you yourself noted. Am I satisfied with that?

      Heck no.

      but sometimes, just sometimes, one has to make due.

      “Ira, I’ve been commenting here about the disconnect between successive White Houses’ rhetoric on Venezuela and American buying of Venezuelan oil , and where that revenue goes, for a long time here.”

      Ok, I’ll assume you are telling the truth about this for the same reason I assume you are telling the truth about your claims you took part in the Velvet Revolution.

      But this goes back to the wood plank mote eyes thing. How long and frequently have you been commenting about the disconnect between Canadian humanitarian rhetoric (and even policies) on one hand, and on the other feeding good resources and money into a totalitarian industrial complex based out of Habana that would make Kenji Doihara blush with envy about the good press?

      How much of an effort are you willing to put in criticizing people and governments closer to home- even ones you Like- about how self-defeating it is?

      Or does your sense of moral outrage not extend that far?

      ” In fact, back in around the first decade of this century, I probably linked a few Thomas Friedman columns in support of my position (I know, god help me, the *failing New York Times*).”

      And this is supposed to impress anyone?

      Again, what have you done closer to home?

      “But you’ve only shown up here since about November 2016, with your Trump-sized horn and state of arrested development, and you’re not big on understanding what other people think, and just want to throw out your thoughts, so I get that.”

      Mate, you’re the one who tried to smear MRubio as a National Socialist (complete with gratutious references to “My Struggle/Mein Kampf”) way back when. Your track record isn’t perfect on that front either.

      “An intelligent person might observe: well, it is in Canada’s interest that Americans not purchase so much Venezuelan oil, ”

      Indeed.

      But at the same time, an intelligent person might observe that it is also in America’s interest- and Canada’s- that the less funding going to the senior dictatorship in this Hemisphere to prop up its allies, fund terrorism, and generally do the $hit it has been doing for the past 60some years would be beneficial.

      And those who transcend mere intelligence into something constructive may conclude it is best to spend less time virtue signalling on CC about how Woe The People On The Other Side of The Border are Hypocrites and more productive to spend time agitating for change at home. While not stopping to raise awareness.

      and as for America’s interest, any sort of embargo would have affected our economic well being coming out of the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression, and it would have hurt Venezuelans, who are still in a position to vote the buggers out of office… or some line of argument like that… to which I might say, yes, I can understand that point of view.

      “But that would be a discussion between two adults…”

      Mate, I’ve seen more constructive discussion between people who couldn’t drink than a lot of what’s gone on the CC forums, including most of yours.

      I would know, I was in the Middle and High School debate teams.

      So let’s ditch the grandstanding about who is and isn’t an adult and instead focus on who is and isn’t willing and able to help things constructively?

    • Part 2 “Now back to….Canadians! Sex tourists! Socialists! Justin! Hillary!….”

      Because apparently commenting in a dismissive enough manner is supposed to invalidate those points!

      Listen mate: You may not care all that much about the Cubans, but I at least try to. Hence why I did some volunteer work trying to help some refugees (and yeah, they still come) resettle. Even if they were mostly the minority that bothered crossing the continent to either Cali or Ohio.

      “Canadian Sex Tourism! Justin! Hillary! And Obama!” may sound like a laugh line for you and your fellow “adults” in the “smart set” like Thomas Friedman, but it’s deadly freaking serious. In this comment I made the comparison to the Japanese Kwantung Army and Kenji Doihara.

      There’s a reason for that. Because during the heyday of the Kwantung Army’s infamy- when it was lighting one of the first sparks to WWII- it largely *wasn’t* wholeheartedly supported and funded by Tokyo.

      How was it funded?

      Criminal activity. Including a truly demonic Drug-Prostitution nexus in which hundreds of thousands of women (and men) were forced into a twilight life of sex slavery, drug addiction, and fear of imminent death in order to fund the mechanization of the Imperial Way faction. Stuff that helped claim the lives of thouands upon thousands of people throughout the Far East due to execution, ODing, STDs, and the like and which funneled millions of yen into the coffers of the Kwantung Army, to be then reinvested into the black market or used to buy bullets, shells, and bombs that would be used to kill Allied soldiers and civilians.

      Oh yeah, and also kickstarting a world war.

      The Castro brothers implemented something closer to the refined, post-thirties version of that system (after the kwantung Army’s rackets were placed under direct Imperial administration).

      So where do you think the funds that come from Canadian- and American, and European, and other- tourists eating, dining, screwing around (literally often), and so on go?

      Similar places to where the cash from the oil purchases by the US to Venezuela go.

      It certainly isn’t to the bog standard citizen, they deal with a Salary CAP in Cuba and below subsistance in Venezuela.

      Some of it gets siphoned off to the Caymans or wherever the tax haven du jour is this year as totalitarian functionaries use the mixture of near unlimited power and no rule of law to get it.

      But lots of it gets Reinvested. Into better microphones. More cells. More bullets. More of everything needed to fetter shackles and shoot those trying to escape.

      I choose to believe that the average American and Canadian paying into that system is not nearly as wretched as to support that,, both due to personal experience and because I have to believe the average person is not that bad. But that is where the money is going anyway.

      So, what do you propose doing on the Canadian side of things?

      “I thought it was interesting that importing Canadian steel has been deemed by the Trump Administration a “threat to national security”, but not Venezuelan oil,”

      And I likewise find it interesting that you will not even address the riposte Ira raised.

      ” and I thought it was interesting that the Trump administration is having an easier time causing economic self-harm, and harm to its friends and allies, that it has causing harm to the Maduro regime.”

      Firstly: Trump’s platform- such as it was- was always about America first, meaning ironing out the more important trade arrangements. And like it or not, Canadian-American trade is larger and of more (dollars and cents) relevance than American-Venezuelan trade.

      And we can say the same about the US and the PRC (And you do remember the aggressive use of tarrif threats to try and force a concession from the PRC, Right? You would think it might be worth SOME mention given how you are a supporter of emphasizing the Russian and PRC role in financing and propping up Maduro compared to the more common Cuban one).

      You don’t like it? Neither do I. But I’m also not going to be capricious or condescending enough to act like this was completely unforeseen.

      B: Apparently, Trump isn’t doing all that well on the economic self-harm front either, judging by the latest reports.

      C: Again, I find it amusing that you spend so much time sniping at the various US admins for financing Venezuela- and FAIR ENOUGH- but seem adverse to answering: how much time have you spent agitating for Canada to stop financing the oldest continuous dictatorship in this hemisphere

      “God forbid we mention the Hair that Shall Not Be Mocked.

      Now let’s go back to: Canadians! Sex tourists! Smugness! Calling out bigots people! Socialists! Trump Haters! Whatever!…”

      If this is the best you can put forth, then Whatever is really going to be the right way of replying to you.

        • @jots Hey Brother/Sister/Etc Jots

          Lol. Fair enough. And same.

          Ultimately, we’re all on the same side here. At least where these thugs are concerned.

          Against the Tyrants!

  4. hehehehe! I like M Rubio’s better, what was it again Rubio? “His royal orangeness” or something like that? Funny shit. All joking aside, I’m a cannuck too, but I think Justin is a fag. Justin Beeber too. I think Trump is the greatest thing that happened to the great US of A and I wish we had our own version for Canada to turn us into a lean mean economic super power too. To many bleeding heart liberals in Canada who believe in that whole free lunch fantasy. You have to earn your shit, because if you don’t earn it you don’t value it.

  5. Will someone explain to me how the subject of trade tariffs, imposed by the USA, on Canada, has any relevance whatsoever in this comments section? Especially by someone who has a hissy-fit if somebody dares to make a pro-Trump statement here?

    • It doesn’t, though as I tried to explain above, if an opportunity isn’t presented, he’ll create one. I haven’t been on-line much for the past few weeks, but here lately it looks like his posts are running less than 50% on-subject. His TDS has so rotted his brain that a month or so ago he took to accusing me of aiding Maduro’s regime via the taxes I pay to the Venezeulan government.

      Yeah, you read that correctly.

    • @Lorenzo…I guess that was the only way he could think of to turn the conversation to Trump so that he could begin his attack?

    • The comments section here always goes sideways when Pres. Trump is referenced in the text of the article or in comments. Not being a fan of the Pres., I am not normally predisposed to defend him but have. I have decided the topic is not worth addressing, unless warranted, unfortunately others have not come to the same conclusion.

      • Yeah, it was your fault waltz for triggering cannuck the other day by “giving the president his due”. How dare you!! LOL

        BTW, if I might ask, and you have no obligation to answer of course, how is it that you’ve come to be interested in the goings-on of the tropical paradise some of us call home?

    • I thought it was interesting that importing Canadian steel has been deemed by the Trump Administration a “threat to national security”, but not Venezuelan oil, and I thought it was interesting that the Trump administration is having an easier time causing economic self-harm, and harm to its friends and allies, that it has causing harm to the Maduro regime.

      God forbid we mention the Hair that Shall Not Be Mocked.

      Now let’s go back to: Canadians! Sex tourists! Smugness! Calling out bigots people! Socialists! Trump Haters! Whatever!…

      • So, THAT is what you find “interesting”? You sure fooled me. But I will go back and see if I can filter it out of your original four paragraphs of anti-Trump venom.

  6. Canucklehead, I for one appreciate your contributions but you seem to be trolling Pres. Trump supporters at times. There are those of us who disagree with his policies and his personality but do not think it is regularly worth mention.

    • See that picture of the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs at the top of this post? She was talking about two things in the last day or so: sanctions against Venezuela, following on a jaw dropping report on crimes against humanity and the Maduro regime, and the “absurd” (her word) tariffs that just came down on Canada. For “national security” reasons. It occurred to me that the two events merited some discussion together from the perspective of someone keenly interested in Canada, and in Venezuela.

      To call Venezuelan oil and American foreign policy over the last two decades the Elephant in the Room does not in my view do the subject justice. This is particularly the case today, when I see the Trump administration talking about trade with Canada (and Mexico and Europe- all friendly democracies- for now anyway) being a “national security” issue.

      I’ll call this issue the Elephant in the Padded Room now, in light of these developments. But I bring it up from time to time. I’ve been doing so for many years. Most of the time, nobody has really taken any notice or interest. It is not as simple or convenient as say, some banana republic run by Fidel Castro and its contribution to this mess.

      So with respect, I think you have the trolled and the trolling backwards. National Security issue? Restrictions on trade? When was importing Venezuelan oil a national security issue? Never. Don’t get me started again- the sale of it has been the lifeblood of two dictatorships, hostile to the United States, hostile to democracy, hostile to their own people. And who bought it? China, Russia, and yes, another superpower…whose scarily buffoonish and Chavez-like President thinks Canadian steel sold on the free market is a National Security Issue.

      We are all being trolled with this nonsense, this idiotic hypocrisy, this gas-lighting, and in support of it, this internet brigade of angry old ultra nationalist gringos with Venezuelan spouses, who planted themselves here in the fall of 2016 because of a piece Quico wrote about Trump and Chavez, and have taken over the discussion to bloviate about their personal acts of heroism, petty resentments, and cable-news fueled ideological obsessions.

      Do I have to sit and read this nonsense, and just be quiet because my concern must be some sort of liberal/socialist obsession, and their thoughts are the natural order of things? I don’t think so. As I’ve said: I’ve lived through this- I’ve experienced it, I know the attitude. I lived in Venezuela and I learned something there first hand about the power of nonsense on an unsuspecting population.

      • Lemme try to cheer ya up cannuck and see if we can find some common ground.

        I’d love to see His Orangeness ban all purchases of Venezuelan oil by the US….and further, I’d like to see him replace those purchases with Canadian oil. Win-win, no?

        And despite my suspicions of Canadians ulterior motives in overwhelming our medical care providers along the border as they flee Canada’s gubmint-sponsored system, and despite Canadians trying to influence young Americans to participate in such obscene and anti-establishment activities as curling, I don’t see you guys as that much of a national security threat. If fact, if it was up to me, I’d be laying the groundwork right now for our two countries to do a heads-up swap…..California for the Yukon. I mean, we’ve got Alaska way up there already, you guys could have California way down there. But that’s fodder for another thread.

        Oil being the fungible product that it is, I think I’m safe in assuming that if the US doesn’t buy it from Venezuela, Maduro could sell it elsewhere…..Russia, India, etc. That’s a problem. Russia (even though they already control His Orangeness) could sure spit in America’s eye, even paying Maduro a premiun for the gunk, in US dollars if they so wished. Imagine Trump’s tiny hands clinched in rage as the Ruskis did an end run around his plans to oust Maduro!

        Anyway, at this point the only solution I see to satisfy everyone, that’s to say, cutting Maduro off of all hard currencies and other income (other than the taxes I pay him of course which will continue for the time being), would be to do a shipping blockade of Venezuela so Maduro can’t sell his oil to anyone….an act of war basically.

        What say you, eh?

      • “See that picture of the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs at the top of this post? She was talking about two things in the last day or so: sanctions against Venezuela, following on a jaw dropping report on crimes against humanity and the Maduro regime, and the “absurd” (her word) tariffs that just came down on Canada.”

        Fair enough, I can approve.

        But not mentioned: the status of sanctions- or lack thereof- with Chavismo’s closest (geographically and ideologically) mentor, the Castros.

        ” For “national security” reasons. ”

        See above.

        “It occurred to me that the two events merited some discussion together from the perspective of someone keenly interested in Canada, and in Venezuela.”

        Fair enough. I am more than willing to do so.

        But in that context, it is only fair that we bring in an even larger and more comprehensive picture to the table. Including the subject of Canadian trade with the Castro dictatorship in Cuba for even longer than the Chavez dictatorship has been around in Venezuela. And which played a role in financing its creation and probably entertainment.

        After all, it is only fair.

        “To call Venezuelan oil and American foreign policy over the last two decades the Elephant in the Room does not in my view do the subject justice.”

        Honestly, it is important and worth condemning but is probably of less magnitude than a lot of other elephants in the room. The demographic collapse of Russia and decline of much of the developed world, Putin’s petro politics, the PRC in the South China Sea, and the kind of totalitarian military economics that the Kaiserreich started to prototype in WWI, the Kwantung Army refined, and which both Cuba and Venezuela are now largely governed through.

        It’s still a spigot of life support going to the dictatorship and that alone warrants it being shut off, but let’s not pretend this is the most significant thing regarding Venezuelan politics or economics. It isn’t.

        “This is particularly the case today, when I see the Trump administration talking about trade with Canada (and Mexico and Europe- all friendly democracies- for now anyway) being a “national security” issue.”

        Firstly, this isn’t as ludicrous as you think. Especially when you bother doing some basic consideration.

        For one, on the most basic level trade with friendly nations can lead to unwanted trade with UNFRIENDLY nations. The number of Americans that pop up the border to Canada and then fly down to Cuba are just one example of one of the oldest damn economic strategies on the planet to avoid sanctions by one government. This is why sanctions are always fragile and rely on a coordinated, dedicated action by multiple nations to be even Partially effective.

        (At least, unless you’re dealing with complete morons like the Castros who try and blame the state of Cuba on the Embargo because apparently they can’t realize how to ape the strategies of a small, land locked Balkan state in the Pig War. But I digress….).

        And secondly: the ability to keep the balance sheets at least somewhat even is important to financing other matters of state. Like finances.

        Now, does this mean I SUPPORT Trump’s tariff mongering against Canada? NO. Or the Venezuelan oil imports.

        But what have you said about the equivalent matters in Canada, including Canadian intercourse with the oldest dictatorship in this hemisphere?

        “I’ll call this issue the Elephant in the Padded Room now, in light of these developments. But I bring it up from time to time. I’ve been doing so for many years.”

        And have you also been bringing up Canadian trade with totalitarian dictatorships like the PRC and Cuba?

        ” Most of the time, nobody has really taken any notice or interest. It is not as simple or convenient as say, some banana republic run by Fidel Castro and its contribution to this mess.”

        Indeed, it isn’t. But that makes it all the more important and I will give you kudos for bringing attention and agitating for a change to it.

        But have you also focused on trying to apply the same principles by which you rightfully condemn Trump, Obama, etc. al.’s trade with Caracas to your own government’s policies?

        (Oh also, frankly calling Fidel and co a banana republic is almost an unjustified insult to pond scum like the Somozoa family, the Perons, Pinochet, etc.

        Not because the aforementioned were not murderous, greedy scum. They absolutely were. But because they have rarely matched the singular, apocalyptic bloodthirstyness or despotism of Fidel.)

        “So with respect, I think you have the trolled and the trolling backwards. ”

        Fair enough.

        “National Security issue? Restrictions on trade? When was importing Venezuelan oil a national security issue? Never. ”

        It always has been, it just hasn’t been recognized as such.

        “Don’t get me started again- the sale of it has been the lifeblood of two dictatorships, hostile to the United States, hostile to democracy, hostile to their own people. ”

        Which is very true.

        But the sale of almost every good under the sun to the Castros as well as tourist passes has also played a similar role.

        Hence why I mentioned the wood mote and plank stuff. How about we try and choke off all the life bloods?

        “And who bought it? China, Russia, and yes, another superpower…”

        Indeed.

        “whose scarily buffoonish and Chavez-like President”

        I’ll give you scarily buffoonish.

        But I ddn’t notice Trump trying to stage a military coup to overthrow the US Republic.

        ” thinks Canadian steel sold on the free market is a National Security Issue.”

        A lot of stuff sold on the free market is. Such as software (ever study PRC IP theft?), and even tourist dollars. So let’s not pretend one side of the border or the other Couldn’t benefit from a more holistic policy towards the tyrants.

        “We are all being trolled with this nonsense, this idiotic hypocrisy, this gas-lighting, and in support of it, this internet brigade of angry old ultra nationalist gringos with Venezuelan spouses,”

        Again, I could say the same about the chowderheads who tried to pass off gross negligence as “extreme carelnessness” or who claimed that Benghazi was a spontaneous protest rather than an act of terror (while frankly, even if it HAD been a spontaneous protest- which it most certainly was not- it would still have been an act of terrorism. That is political violence aimed at terrorizing someone or something into compliance with an aim).

        ” who planted themselves here in the fall of 2016 because of a piece Quico wrote about Trump and Chavez,”

        For what it’s worth, I was here before the fall of 2016.

        Not often, but occasionally.

        ” and have taken over the discussion to bloviate about their personal acts of heroism, petty resentments, and cable-news fueled ideological obsessions.”

        …and how is this different from what you’re doing?

        If we’re gonna condemn that, let’s at least be Consistent.

        “Do I have to sit and read this nonsense,”

        No.

        It is after all, a free country.

        However, you should keep in mind that just as you do not have to sit and read this nonsense, neither do we have to sit and read Yours.

        Ergo it helps to have a bit of give and take.

        ” and just be quiet because my concern must be some sort of liberal/socialist obsession,”

        Your “concern” seems to be more of an obsession.

        ” and their thoughts are the natural order of things? I don’t think so. ”

        Indeed.

        But again, what comes around goes around.

        “As I’ve said: I’ve lived through this- I’ve experienced it, I know the attitude. ”

        Fair enough, but I know a few who have.

        “I lived in Venezuela and I learned something there first hand about the power of nonsense on an unsuspecting population.”

        Well, I’ve lived int the US and a few developing countries- though rarely totalitarian ones (though some were authoritarian, like Rwanda). And I learned something firsthand about the power of- not just nonsense- but a compelling, terrible ideological vision.

        And I learned even more secondhand, from talking to some of the old members of my family who still remember the Blackshirts and had some old mementos from other members of the family.

        And frankly? The conflation of Chavez and Trump is infantile. Always has been. Always will be. I rarely do so even with people I legitimately despise like Bernie Sanders or Orban. After all, Trump- however buffoonish, nationalist, or what have you- sought power through democratic means first (unless there is some kind of Business Plot we’re missing, or you have the much vaunted Russia collusion evidence).

        Chavez and co Did Not.

        Now, what shall we do about them?

        What shall we do about how both our countries continue trading with these dictatorships and thus forging the shackles for the Cuban and Venezuelan people?

      • If you don’t understand why resurrecting healthy steel, aluminum and other metallurgical industries in the U.S. is a vital national security interest, you’re a fucking idiot.

        But we all knew that anyway.

        Seriously:

        How fucking stupid do you want to reveal to everyone here that you actually are?

        I just spent 20 minutes on a post that got errored out on my iPad…lost it all before posting…about WWII. It was about American manufacturing that won the war for the allies, although of course not to minimize the efforts of our soldiers.

        America supplied the entire Allied coalition. The U.K., Russia, China, name a country and it was American supplies that made the difference.

        You really should go to church and pray for God to make you smarter. Or just read a few fucking books.

        Otherwise, you always just come across as stupid, boring, and meaningless.

        But hey–maybe that’s just your destiny.

  7. Other than Canada fishing, Colombia was the first country I ever visited. Seemed to follow naturally that I would be interested in a neighbor country that was on a path that would be problematic to somewhere I was thinking about living. My first visit to Colombia was 1998, just took me a long while to find Devil’s Excrement, Daniel’s and here. Even longer to begin commenting.

    And yeah, hate to be honest.

  8. This directed all Cannucks – (especially Canucklehead (naybe your have purchased too much product from one of Venezuelan – but you really have a hard time keeping on track of the subject matter. – It’s Venezuela / not not Trump , Hilary , Justin or the price steel or aluminum. Go spend winter outside Fort Nelson to some perspective

  9. The only time the “rest of the world” gets good coverage of Latin America when they play World Cup Matches (that is a whole level of corruption in is own right). I don’t care “Canucklehead” and others say, you would live it to understand it I’m Gringo, and have worked as engineer in in oil industry (It spent 6+years works working for PDVSA) followed five years in Ft. Mac. / Calgary/ Edmonton. (I happened go to Chile for after Canada). The news in Canada, EU and USA is always biased- on way or another. I Really to prefer getting new Chile after a awhile (the crime rare there is about same Canada’s).

  10. @ waltz..I have heard great things about the fishing in Canada. Would love to go sometime! And the thing is, most all Canadians that I have met were polite, well mannered, congenial and gracious people.
    My interest in Venezuela runs through Colombia as well. As I have mentioned, my wife grew up in Medellin and lived through Pablo Escobar’s declared war on the city of Medellin and the country of Colombia while at the same time the country was dealing with all the Marxist guerilla groups that were attacking civilian and military targets.
    I hope and pray that the people of Colombia are paying very close attention to the nightmare unfolding to their east.

  11. I Posted this item a Few day. Maybe MRubio can reply or somebody else who know the history of money laundering in Venezuela
    Classic money laundering. speaking of which. I still remember When I first went to Amuay in 1996, we drove to the east side of the Paraguaná, going to Cabo San Roman. When we got 15 kilometer from the cape we noticed the big set of deserted building / oblivious a former hotel site. Ruinas del Complejo Medano Caribe – I was told (but I know how true it was) that a Caracas bank money laundered 2.25 billion dollars (in late 1980’s or early 1990’s. Let’s see that much – 1) It’s on the beach, 2) you can see Aruba and Curacao. 3) you over 200 rooms to chose. 4) The Nearest airport is over 90 minutes away. 5) the roads are n ot good and you have stop frequently to let the burros go bye, 6) and lastly, there a salt evaporation pond next door (for over three miles. Sound like a place you would want invest in.
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    o Mary May 25, 2018 at 3:23 am
    I had to look that up!
    http://escombrosdeltiempo.blogspot.com/search/label/Paraguana
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     NET. May 25, 2018 at 7:42 am
    Really impressive pictorially-a metaphor for Venezuela today (also somewhat similar to the “Industrias Basicas” of Ciudad Guayana). Bank which financed went belly-up, high-profile bank pres. (family relative of real bank owners) was in Vail or Aspen with his former Miss Universe lover at time of bankruptcy, bank was semi-bailed out by Ven. Govt., though individual depositors only finally collected up to a relatively low max limit per deposit, and depositors of U.S. dollars in bank store-fronts in Aruba/Curacao lost everything.
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     Doughbouy May 25, 2018 at 9:47 pm
    Plus, I almost forgot – the other engineers that worked with said you can not discuss it (and many other thing – this was before Chavez). Any wonder that left (class of 2002). I still miss Venezuela coffee

  12. Tom—was looking to reply to you about this yesterday but could not find it. Sorry for provoking your wife with my question. My experience and the votes that are counted seem to suggest that the former members of M-19 get a bit of a pass.

    I am not a fan of Petro but any FARC member, I believe, who was doing as well as he would meet the same end as that of so many members of the Union Patriotica.

    Funny thing I am friends with a couple where the husband (a Nicaraguan) is ex-Sandinista and the wife (a Colombian) can not seemingly find any fault with the AUC. Strange dynamic but it works for them.

  13. @waltz….no no no….no apology necessary. It’s just that she and many other Colombianos still harbor hard feelings about the many atrocities that occurred…the attack on the Palace of Justice by M19 that many still believe was paid for by Escobar and countless other atrocities that occurred.
    As far as your friends go, the old saying that love is blind is very true! Lol.

    • Tom, I have never seen a definitive answer of whether PE financed that or not. That has always been the speculation but are you aware of any evidence?

      Not to defend the M-19, but every previous stunt seemed well planned, maybe they just got overconfident and had no escape plan. Would make some sense after their experience with the Dominican Republic embassy.

  14. @ waltz…I know that Escobar’s son publicly claimed that his father paid M-19 1 million dollars to take control of the palace. That admission was enough to settle the matter in many people’s minds! Lol

  15. Yep, and the FARC only taxed coca, the PEPE’s had no connection to the gov’t and Diosdado is the long lost relative of Mother Teresa.

  16. Have a good night and wish the Pisa well. Gonna go finish another beer or two and watch the Cubs. Relevance: best catcher in baseball; Wilson Contrares from Venezuela. Until MLB threatened to fine him, he wore a Bandera arm sleeve.

    • We had Hurricane Wilma in 2005 in South Florida when the White Sox won the series, and most of us had no power to watch it!

  17. Well, Good for Canada, good for the OAS, Good for the IAC!

    Screw the tyrants.

    And as for Henri Falcon….. Who? Who?

  18. I would think there would be a consensus on the part of both the left and the right here on CC that the Maduro dictatorship end. And yet several commenters constantly change the topic from Venezuela and sow division. Do they do that because the implosion of Venezuela isn’t worthy of discussion. I think not. I cannot recall a wealthy country failing as spectacularly and as quickly as has Venezuela. We are witnessing a historic as well as tragic event.i wonder if the digressions result rather from the unease felt by some on the left embarrassed by the failed implementation of their ideology who in reaction would rather discuss Trump than Maduro.

    • Leftist ideology hasn’t failed Mr. Crispin, Maduro et al just didn’t do it right. The next Magic Man will, of course.

      I also suspect that as time goes on, there will be less desire on their part to discuss His Orangeness.

      • Trudeau is doing it right in Canada, according to some (ca)knuckleheads here.

        In fact, Trudeau thinks that the problem with all governments is that they’re run by “old white men.” It’s a great political strategy, it gets the votes in Clueless Canada, but think about it:

        He’s a white guy himself, but not “old,” and this anti-elder campaign actually got him elected. And he keeps repeating this same bullshit interview after interview. He’s a broken record.

        The world’s problem are all the result of old white guys. ALL of them! Their actual political positions not to be even considered!

        Sound familiar?

        And this shmuck Canucklehead keeps parroting this same prejudice against old white guys here in his posts. As if he has ever defined what age constitutes old.

      • MR
        Did you get the e-mails that I sent?
        It shows the dates the supplements for Crystal will be in Miami. I found the probiotic she needs on line and will have that coming in the next shipment from Miami along with most of your list.
        The remainder I will ship from NY. More seeds, antibiotics and more antibiotic ointment etc.
        As to the bulk seeds; I think I have found the correct carrots. I e-mailed the seed company and asked if the variety is suited for Venezuela. I am waiting for their reply.

  19. I’m a Trostkyite Castro supporter, my parents were communists, and I sow division (just like my communist parents I suppose).

    The glory of the internet.

    • My friend C-head,

      (I wanted to write “Chead,” but Мы, северные американцы wouldn’t understand it.)

      Anyway, Ayn Rand warned us all in her book, Kerfufflehead, (or maybe it was “A Few Acres of Snow,” by some French guy)

      Seriously, I miss your earlier posts. I am trying to get a rise out of you. You used to post really good, cerebral (or, how I heard it in a bar in Guelph, “Sher-ree-brull,”) stuff.

      We are still cousins, better, brothers. Trudeau today spoke about the asinine tariffs, and he spoke with force and emotion and it was the topic of the afternoon in my office. I wonder who voted for Trump, because no one I know did.

      Peace, my friend. I should never have brought a reference to your parents into this. I am sorry about that.

      Let’s talk; let’s let it fly.

      Jots

  20. Wow! This comment section ran right off the rails and kept going.

    Isn’t there another forum more appropriate for the conversation above?

  21. yap – too much baloney (self importance (or Impotence of the many)). Let hope comet or asteroid strike soon to permit most people getting eliminated – and their lack cranial power. (By the way – two pieces of (about 3 miles dia. each) comets landed 33 million ago – one piece in central Ukraine and other piece formed the inlet to Chesapeake Bay. (the USGS and Carnegie Science have images of the crater – it swallowed Washishing D C. – to bad 33 million years to soon.) maybe Canucklehead can make field trip actually find Tunguska asteroids, He can follow Trostky footprints.

  22. Godwin’s Law states:

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1.”

    It has also been noted that once Hitler or Nazis have been invoked in a thread, any chance of useful and rational debate is lost.

    I feel like we are seeing the same sort of phenomena with Trump.

  23. I welcome the OAS submission to the ICC, but it looks like yet another case of ineffective signalling with no chance of success. The ICC is not like your average national prosecution service with local power to subpoena and enforce. It can only take action if (a) it is asked to do so via a UN Security Council resolution or (b) it is asked to take action by the recognised government of the country where the alleged crimes took place and that country is a State Party to the Rome Statute. Neither of these things have happened or are going to happen anytime soon.
    There is a provision for a referral to the ICC by another State Party to the Rome Statute:-
    “In the absence of a UNSC referral of an act of aggression, the Prosecutor could initiate an investigation on her own initiative or upon request from a State Party, after obtaining prior authorization from the Pre-Trial Division of the Court. ”
    The problem with this is that for very practical reasons, the ICC cannot pursue an investigation inside a State where the government does not want them there. “Also, under these circumstances, the Court would not have jurisdiction in respect to crimes of aggression … with regard to States Parties that had declared that they did not accept the Court’s jurisdiction over the crime of aggression. ”
    Although Venezuela is a signatory to the Rome Statute, Maduro can simply declare that he does not accept the jurisdiction of the ICC over the alleged crimes. Without a UN Security Council resolution or a new government in Venezuela, this puts the crimes outside the jurisdiction of the ICC.
    There have been almost 10,000 complaints formally communicated to the ICC. Of these, there were only two investigations opened that did NOT arise from a UN request or a direct request from the government of the country involved.

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