The election takes center stage at UNASUR (Updated)


unasur-logoThe Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) will discuss tonight the current situation in Venezuela in an extraordinary presidential summit.

The meeting will be held in Lima, as Perú now holds the provisional presidency of the group.

According to a report from Peruvian newspaper El Comercio, there’s no overall consensus yet between UNASUR members regarding the results of Sunday’s presidential election.

After earlier reports which indicated that Foreign Minister Elías Jaua would represent the government’s delegation, Nicolás Maduro himself announced in cadena nacional that he will travel to Lima for the summit and then return for his swearing-in ceremony tomorrow.

Henrique Capriles has informed via his Twitter account that he’s considering travelling to Lima for the summit and that he has spoken with several heads of state about the issue.

UPDATE: Looks like Henrique won’t go to Lima. He will give a press conference today at 6:30 p.m. (Venezuelan Time), according to Ramon Jose Medina’s twitter account. Medina is the communications coordinator for the Simon Bolivar National Command.

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  1. Great news today! And this is exactly where we get them.. their intelligence! They think we are thinking on the same level they are on and we are just.. not 🙂

  2. Why does Capriles say he is “considering it”? Either he goes, or doesn’t go, and once he does he announces it. I don’t get it.

        • Exactly. He can’t say that they won’t recognize him if they refuse to host him. It is weakness to say you will do something and then not do it. Which has been basically Maduro’s entire Presidency so far (where’s the wage hike?).

        • But negotiate behind closed doors, not in the open! What’s he going to say if he can’t go, “I wanted to go but they wouldn’t let me in the door”?

          • I guess it’s these kinda actions that you had in mind when you said that he may not be the most astute politician..

          • by implying he has been talking to other leaders in UNASUR my mind tells me he must have been invited (obviously not officially). That itself would be a great achievement even if UNASUR is as unbiased as they come. Would have given him a chance to look presidential 🙂
            Now that it appears that he is not going and Maduro is, it just looks as pressure being put on UNASUR to recognize even though they most of them are probably trumping over each other to recognize him first.

          • You could also say that Capriles by saying he might go , forced poor Maduro to go , Capriles is spooking Maduros head . Now Maduro must go to Unasur and be Sworn in , in a single day , Another take, if Jaua goes then the unasur meeting will be attended mostly by Foreign Affair ministers while if Maduro goes then he can pressure other presidents to attend which would not have done so it Venezuela was represented by Jaua.. He wants unasur to officially recognize him as president in a televised spectacle to make his claim to legitimacy more impacting , its all media games for these guys.

    • Maybe it’s as simple as “someone asked him”. Why make any question regarding his actions or inactions sound like criticisms?

  3. This is going to be interesting, UNASUR is far from a uniform body, If HCR shows up, I wonder if he would be allowed to participate or address the summit. I don’t think, but the idea just makes me smile at the possibilities.

  4. Will this change anything? Isn’t UNASUR very biased in favor of the government? Most country members have been either direct beneficiaries of Chavista largesse in the past few years or indirect beneficiaries of Chavista trade imbalances. Moreover, every country in the region is naturally biased in favor of incumbency, because they know that in a few years, they could be next in line to be booted out of office. In sum, I am not very optimistic that UNASUR will do anything else other than to recognize Maduro.

  5. LOL! UNASUR welcomes al fascista apátrida ultraderechista majunche! That would be funny!
    That it is an issue is already a great achievement, well done!

  6. Whew!! What a relief it is to know that our cause will be democratically represented by our ilustrously objective Foreign Secretary, Elias Jaua!

  7. This is from el comercio:

    “A esto se suma la expeditiva llamada que hizo el presidente Ollanta Humala el lunes (a las 4:00 p.m.) a Nicolás Maduro para felicitarlo, según especificó la nota de prensa de Palacio. Lo hizo antes de que el Consejo Nacional Electoral lo declarase vencedor. ”

    That says a lot…

  8. Coño maduro Do something original. Capriles says something , he does too. I wonder at what time capriles goes to the bathroom ,so I know when maduro goes too.

  9. Hi all, So HCR said he was “contemplating” going to UNASUR meeting and then Maduro decides to go as soon as he hears that, even though Jaua was already set to go. Was it a test for Maduro? We all know the UNASUR people are going to end up rooting for Maduro ($$$) so did it even make sense for Capriles to bother? It just goes to show how basic and rudimentary the new Maduro “government” is. Let him go off and speak in front of all the UNASUR members- he will screw himself up more by being there an opening his mouth than anything Capriles could ever say with any limited window of time they would even allow him to have there.

    • Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Then again who knows. In an hour and a half Capriles could concede. This whole thing is crazy. I don’t know what to think to be honest.

  10. ”We all know the UNASUR people are going to end up rooting for Maduro ($$$) so did it even make sense for Capriles to bother?”

    This is what I meant in my earlier comment – you have allowed yourselves to become so polarised that you simply won’t analyse any issue properly. You KNOW there was fraud, you KNOW you live in a dictatorship, you KNOW the other South American countries will support Maduro. You KNOW everything.

    It’s so shrill, it’s embarrassing.

    What I would say about the other South American nations is that they will remember that Capriles took part in the 2002 coup attempt. It’s one thing to accuse the government of anti-democratic practices, it’s another to ignore your own hero’s history of ignoring the will of the electorate.

    • Aren’t you forgetting something? I mean, the failed coups of 1992? Or are you “ignoring your own hero’s history” on purpose? Really, you should change your nick for “Bacalao al Phil-Phil”. Just a suggestion… Hope you speak Spanish to get the joke…

    • There are some key differences from the 2002 coup and the 1992 coup.

      In 1992 soldiers in the middle of the night while the people and the government were sleeping attempted to overthrow the government using the weapons that the republic has trusted them to use for its defense killing both soldiers and civilians.

      In 2002 the coup was perpetrated by civilians in broad daylight while the government was using the weapons of the republic against civilians. And in the middle of the mayhem some generals and Carmona seized an opportunity. Then came another general that once was a hero and then a traitor.

      After that Capriles faced chargers for his involvement with the cuban embassy, not treason. He spent some time in jail and was found innocent.

      Maybe Phil just became interested in Venezuela just recently.

    • In Phil’s defense, he didn’t say that he actually agreed with or liked HCF. Although, from this and his prior post I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the case.

      He is also conveniently forgetting that the polarization he is decrying was promulgated by none other than the late HCF. If anyone’s tone was shrill and embarrassing, it was that guy’s.

      I would also like to ask you Phil, since you seem to think that (political) oppression in Venezuela is not as bad as we make it out to be, if you are familiar with the stories of la jueza Maria Afiuni, or Ivan Simonovis, or Manuel Rosales? Just to name a few.

      • And the thousands of public sector employees who cannot take the chance of losing their livelihood because they support the opposition based on the BS they have to put up with every day.

    • Hi Phil, how are you?

      Thanks so much, old chap, for dropping by for a spot of fascism!

      Roight, ‘nen laddie, ow ’bout you take a gander at this and tell us what you think. You won’t have to go far, roight ‘ere n’ this very blog:

      or p’raps this:

      You know, where the lies about opposition supporters burning Medical Centers gets de bunked.
      Or here is the father of one chavista who was killed, according to Maduro, by the oppo, but the father says different.

      I hope you can trust the NY Times…..

  11. This can only be a factor in his favor, so calm down! During the coup, Capriles participated by saving the cuban embassador from understandably angry mobs (see Televen’s video where he is meeting the ambassador and the cuban ambassador hiself thanks him for his intervention, which is also why chavez was not able to leave him in jail when they tried to frame him afterwards).

  12. ‘Took part in’ is a pretty feeble indictment; anyone who was there — oodles of marchers, inter alia — could be said to have ‘taken part in’. You’ll have to do better then that to make any headway, I think. As for ‘you have allowed yourselves’. what’s that supposed to mean? There are edge-effect partisans on both sides of the argument but the polarization mentioned here, inasfar as it reigns as widely as often claimed, is a direct upshot of years of egging on in contempt by the Great Communicator who specifically sought that effect and, in some measure, achieved his aim, for aim it was. “Allowed yourselves” won’t wash in this, I’m afraid.

  13. Well they recognized Chávez, who was pretty good at ignoring the will of the electorate, violently. Hell, they go on pilgrimage to Saint Castro, so, Capriles should be a saint compared to these guys.

  14. Having talked to a few government folks and a few analysts, I wrote this story. I don’t think the opposition’s complaints are penetrating even the more conservative governments in the region. It would be hard to overcome, for example, billions of dollars in un-repatriated income for LAN, Avianca and Odebrecht. I see little chance that they would let Capriles speak.

    • Setty: I have no doubt they will support Maduro, but I am not sure that they will not support and actually press for an internationally supervised recount. After all, these Governemnts got direct messages all day and into the evening, from the same Government, that Maduro was winning easily and then all of a sudden, Uups! Only less than 2%. They all know Maduro also accepted the recount on Sunday only to back down later. My bet is Maduro will say there will be a recount, Unasur meeting will end and CNE will reject the recount in three weeks.

    • Hearing you. One thing to remember. ” Show me the money”. There is no payment horizon. Ever. Billions of accumulated debt? Who and how? Thats the question. I think Capriles is the who and everybody knows it.

  15. Emiliana, i agree with the long rope to wrap around like a python and squeeze the nomenklatura / entorno to let the mask of pseudo democracy fall away in only 4 days… The same mask that took chavez 14 loooooong years of fine tuning to build.
    I am satisfied, though sad for the victims of violence, the world finally can see what we have denounced during all this time.

  16. Following Emiliana’s reasoning in the last post, I would not focus too much attention on what Capriles says or does about the Unaasur summit. It is only one of many opportunities he will have to deliver his messages to the international community. This message has already been sent and received, he doesn’t have to go. Let Maduro go and rant and rave like he has during the last few days. They may support him for any number of reasons but they will most certainly not respect him anymore than most Venezuelans do now.

    I continue to support Capriles and hope that he makes more good decisions than poor ones as he navigates us through the minefields and traps that we will have to get through before we are able to say goodbye to Maduro and the Castro’s.

  17. One fact that the Unasur guys ‘n gals would surely not have forgotten yet is the incident where our Nicky was ostensibly involved in a meeting with Paraguayan military, urging action on their part in the wake of the removal of the incumbent.

  18. Just saw an Argentine lady ,one of the million people protesting Cristina’s efforts at taking control of the judiciary , say out loud that she was marching because she didnt want Argentina to become another Venezuela . Governments may play their little games but the fact that Chavismo is a form of tyranny is not lost on ordinary people , see how Lopez obrador identificacation with Chavez hurt his electoral chances in Mexico , How Ullanta had to distance himself from Chavez in order to get elected, Governments may act following the dictates of real politik ( at a price which the Maduro government may find very costly to pay ) but the people in their own countries are not fooled , they know that what we have here is a dictatorship thinly cosmetized as democractic and they dont want anything to do with it.!! Think not what Unasur may officially do but the cost to the regimes economic viability of buying that support and of ordinary peoples response to what is happening in Venezuela .


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