Communicational hegemony vs. copyright


Because using music of a videogame as the soundtrack for a cadena nacional wasn’t enough, State TV channel VTV decided to use “Detalles”, one of the greatest hits of Brazilian singer Roberto Carlos in this TV spot to show Nicolas Maduro’s personal side.

The problem is the song was used without permission. And Roberto Carlos isn’t happy about it, so he instructed his lawyers to demand compensation in a Venezuelan court.

Will our justice system acknowlege this copyright violation or instead it will create a new precedent where the government can also fully expropiate intellectual properties?

One more thing… Just because the segment was named “Details”, it was necessary to use that specific song? Creating an original instrumental piece was simply too hard? I mean, the new President of the same channel (who’s also the VP’s brother) is a music composer.

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  1. Copyrights infringement, or in general terms, the lifting of other people’s artwork, photography, music, or text has long precedents, among several Venezuelans, not just in the current and chavista governments.

    My cousin, who went by her married name of Margot Römer, was spitting mad on an earlier Aló Ciudadano, when she noticed the regime using her artwork as background for an Aló Presidente — without permission.

    The lack of respect boggles the mind. Then again, I’ve seen that disrespect repeated so many times, in so many other Venezuelan spheres, one wonders, what’s in the drinking water to produce so much gall.

    And lest those who engage in infringement think they’re fooling others .. No. The practice is transparent. (You know who you are.)

    • It’s true that copyright Infringement is everywhere in Venezuela. In my neighborhood I can count at least five or six bootleg DVD/Blu-Ray vendors. It’s all around us.

      • Oh the movies. Those cute little alley stores that sell virtually every movie ever made, if not in their original cover art DVD box. My mother-in-law always hits them before coming here so she has a steady supply of telenovelas. I always thought this was amusing and about as far as it went to bootlegging, but I was wrong.

        In 2008, my wife went to visit family about a week before I joined her. The Friday before I left, Tropic Thunder came out in theaters here, so we had a guys’ night out and went to see it with friends at the midnight showing. Two days later, my wife called to make final arrangements and I told her I went to see the film with friends and she told me that she, too, had seen it with her nephews at a local theater in Merida.

        Curious that, as it wasn’t scheduled for release in Venezuela for something like a month after the USA release. *shrug*

        So this? Why, tis a small thing. When private real property rights are neglected, why should something abstract like purported “intellectual” rights matter? After all, the needs of el pueblo supercede those of the individual.

        One of the real sources of a lack of private investment (or DFI, if you prefer) within the country is that investing in technology or processes that are patented and then shipping them to Venezuela knowing full well that those patents will not be respected kinda kills any desire to put them at risk. Chavez himself said as much, if I recall correctly, that when it serves the need of the country, intellectual property rights shouldn’t apply.

        And, offtopic, I know, but Tom Cruise’s performance in that movie was pretty epic.

    • Let me guess, your cousin’s an oppo type, right?

      Explain to me again why I’m supposed to care about the Government using her artwork.

          • That’s some side you have. So since reason is not on your side, force is what’s left.

            A great example you are setting Hector, please continue to inform us.

            You are the best propagandist for our side!

          • Iguana Mast,

            Not really. You folks are too far gone to be worth arguing with. the only kind of arguments your sort understands, are the kind settled by fists.

          • I have to say, I really feel sorry for you. For you to see things that way must mean you have had a very horrible time on this earth so far.

            I will pray for you, pray that you come to see that violence is not a solution, and pray that your life finds the peace and happiness it seems to lack so far.

            May your path to understanding and tranquility grow shorter every day.

          • FYI, Hector, “smacking down” people because they don’t think/believe the same way as you is one of the traits of a bully. This is what Chavismo is: a “bully” pulpit, all too ready to kick/scream at/hit those opposed to you. And precisely because of this, is why you and yours, ultimately, will fail. Your “side” is only as strong as those who truly believe that they have to live in fear for the rest of their lives. In this day and age, I think that many people are finding out that such a way of life is truly NOT necessary.

      • Fighting injustice against anyone is fighting injustice against everyone, including you. We’re fighting for your rights, too. That’s why.

        • It is quite an outdated and backwards notion that art shoudn’t be free.

          You might have noticed that the new trend is for artists to pull down the barriers that prevent others from accessing and using their work.

          • If the artist decides that, no problem. It’s their right. It’s wrong for someone else to decide it for them.

          • The artist can decide whether to limit the enjoyment of usefulness of their work by imposing monetary demands, but it is only a demand. His right to erect barriers and checkpoints is his own, but the right of all to free culture is universal and sacred.

          • Whatever. I am very happy Roberto Carlos is suing the thugs still in power in Venezuela. These guys are really getting more trouble everywhere…and once the petrodollars are not enough…well, it’s going to be exile in Iran or Russia…but I doubt Russia will accept you once Venezuela doesn’t waste more money in Russian weapons.

          • Hey yoyo, can you give us an idea of what you do for a living?
            No specifics, just a general thing.
            Like for example, if you are a student, then no need to say where or what you study.

          • And is it your right to define how much of my culture is free to you? That’s a rather curious argument when only one side has any culture at all, except for what the other side has taken. You’re remarkably close to “Expropiaselo!”

          • I am in favor of the freedom to quote, satirize and even copy materials. I am in favor of open source and of licenses allowing copying, derivative works and all. As long as you give due credit to creators.

            But whatever your stance, stealing, taking something not created by you and appropriating it for (political and monetary) profit, not giving credit where credit is due is… what the Revolution excels at.

          • Serving the purposes of the Revolution is more important than ‘giving credit where credit is due’. Traitors don’t deserve the same so-called ‘freedoms’ as decent people.

          • Hector, you talk all the time about revolution. There is none in Venezuela. You are obviously not a Venezuelan, you have no idea what’s going on in the country.

          • yoyo, how can it outdated and backwards in your first sentence, but then in the second sentence it’s a new trend that I may not have noticed? Regardless, legally, it’s not outdated until the law is changed, so my argument stands, that we defend your legal rights, too.

          • yoyo, while trust fund babies like you may dream of liberating art from commerce, this has yet to be achieved over many millenia, and so people who actually need to make their own living and support families from their art will continue to be concerned about theft. Summer semester revolutionaries, not so much.

      • Please put a Perma-ban on this GIT, moderator. Maybe he won’t care and will simply go somewhere else to troll. He won’t learn a lesson from it, being already dead in all that matters. But you can also hope…

          • I can deal with free speech. That’s why I am calling on the owner of this blog to ban the troll.

          • Um, your second statement obviates your first. clearly, you’re incapable of dealing with speech that hurts your poor little feelings. which is all well and good, but it doesn’t say much for your maturity.

            Socialism or Death!

          • Free speech: Hector can always defecate in other forums that will admit him.

            I am stating that he has nothing to say to me that is worth squat. And expect that this is the general feeling here.

            I am asking the moderator, kindly, to keep this forum sane and clean, ban this guy. Maybe in Hector’s own warped world, this cannot happen to a National-Socialist like him. Please show him the exit anyway.

          • Loroferoz,

            I’m not sure you’re intellectually or morally qualified to say what my words to you are worth, or not.

            Did it ever occur to you that you might be, uh, wrong? And that Chavez, Maduro, and Cabello might be right? I suppose not: when people like you lose their moral sense, they also lose their ability to reason. I had hoped that you folks would have learned something over the last few years, and come to appreciate the virtue of obedience to the state and your moral superiors. Apparently not, though. What a pity.

            It’s my hope that Maduro and Cabello have someone reading this forum, so they can keep tabs on enemies of the public good.

          • And incidentally, I did prove the “man” is a Fascist. A real one, if he is not pure troll. But oh, they are indistinguishable. I guess people as corrupt as Chavez, Maduro and Cabello are my moral superiors, if I were trying to be greedy, narcissistic, authoritarian and ruthless.

  2. I remember something about the Venezuelan band Los Amigos Invisibles complaining about the unauthorized use of their song “Majunche” by the chavismo in last year’s campaign, these guys are serial copyright infringers.

    • This looks legit. If there are actual documents of the fraud and CNE working in collusion with the government, we may have our smoking gun to convince the international community of the fraud!

      Obviously, the government will decry everything as fake, which make work for some Chavistas, but this should be enough to force the governments hand, convince the Ni-Ni that the CNE is not independent and bring us closer to a coup to enable an actual re-vote!

    • Can someone verify this article in the Miami Herald? If it is true, the fraud is very transparent and we now know what we are up against…
      1) The CNE only gave a voter list to the PSUV & the government cross-references the list with people relying on social programs
      2) The mobilitation documents actually have the govenment insignia on the powerpoint presentation (showing they are using government resources)
      3) The CNE assigns specific people to the voting centers where the PSUV mobilization efforts are concentrated
      4) During the election, they are told which voting statings do not have opposition & the address/phone number of the people in their base that have not yet voted
      5) Government & military vehicles are used to pick up voters who have not yet voted and take them to the polls (again further showing they are using government resources)
      6) On top of the mobilization which is illegal, further fraud was committed on the day of the election in places where they knew the opposition was absent. In fact the precinct talley’s are no longer located on the CNE website (is this last point true??)

      • I’m curious as to why I’m the only one excited about this article. Did people not see the links of the actual documents from the government with how their mobilization efforts work in the article?

        The documents are illuminating and it shows why they are able to generate so many votes. Have people seen these before, as I haven’t??? We need to learn so at minimum we know how to counteract it in the future by stopping it and creating our own mobilization effort as well!

        Those document links are with a number of posts by themselves as to what we are really up against!!!

        • Hard for me to get excited about anything Roger Noriega says. I’m still looking for the uranium mines that the Iranians are exploiting in the Gran Savana.

        • Ditto, and I nearly said so but decided not to bother. But you asked again, and I will answer. First, I do agree with Chiguire that anything Noriega says needs to be taken with a very large grain of salt. Second, in this particular piece (leaving his reputation and history aside), he spends time developing the point that Cubans were involved, without ever explaining the impact that had. Then he suddenly veers from questionable voter mobilization techniques to “the Chavista authorities [could] tamper with the vote” – without anything vaguely resembling evidence they did, unless it’s the fact that the CNE removed (and did they? – per link from Rodrigo below, data seems to be there now) data from the website. I don’t see this as adding anything to the discussion, except some inflammatory statements. He’s not part of the solution here.

  3. Can someone fill me in on what is going on in the ‘detalles’ video when Maduro is talking to the ladies with the Capriles shirts.

      • It seems to be a bunch of BS about how tolerant he is and blah blah. “You can vote for whoever you want but we are here to take care of you.” As he exits the lady’s house, he goes :”let’s give her a house”. She get a brand new house and is shown as converted.

  4. Basically, he’s convincing them that his government will do better for them. And then they get a key to a house, more than twice the size of their previous house.

  5. A job of love. Pure PR.

    What’s with the Sai Baba-esque cap? And the beads? Still a follower of that old fraud, Nicolas?

    While copying is one thing, and quoting another… taking somebody else’s work and appropriating it for profit without giving even due credit is stealing. Roberto Carlos has a right at least for his song not to be used commercially, and without crediting or even asking him. Would you like a look-alike of yours with your voice selling capitalist ideas, Nicolas?

    Of course, we on the opposition “hate”. Did the lady throw a brick at you or wished you evil? She only had a T-shirt and a political affiliation that is not yours. It’s hate, then! Such a humanist.

    Do you even know – that is beyond yours and the deceased’s sad distortion of the word to imply they are “good” and sensitive – what humanist means? Humanism is the opposite of talking to the spirits of the dead. The opposite of blind faith and fanaticism. The opposite of the irrational cult mentality they are pushing on Venezuelans. The opposite of caudillismo and of following charismatic personalities.

  6. Property intellectual artistic or otherwise gets little respect in Venezuela , Its really part of the Culture , anything not nailed to the floor gets stolen , Its of course publicly frowned upon but most people like it when they use their ‘viveza’ to get somebody elses things for free . The Regime which ought to set an example really doesnt care and rather enjoys showing off its omnipotent powers by taking peoples property away from them , makes them feel Powerful , beyond the law . Maybe this is part of our Picaro culture . The indians never understood property except for their women , and the Spaniards who originally came to this country were adventurer soldiers of fortune who were left jobless after the reconquista quest got finished and they could no longer get their ‘bounty’ in moorish property on conquering another moorish stronghold .


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