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Here’s my run-down on the Amuay Explosion for the IHT.


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  1. You know its bad when you can’t even get past the first sentence without noticing a blatant falsehood:

    “Venezuelans are reeling this week from the deadliest accident in our nation’s industrial history.”

    Venezuela’s deadliest accident was the Tragedia de Tacoa, in 1982, in which around 180 people were killed.

    • You should check your facts about Tacoa, dear chavista spin doctor. The explosion in Tacoa was entirely different to what happened in Amuay. Amuay was an industrial accident in the strictest sense, a bleve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_liquid_expanding_vapor_explosion). And all the available information is pointing to faulty maintenance.
      On the other hand the explosion in Tacoa was a consequence of the lack of experience dealing with such an incident. The fire was not controlled using foam, but water, which lead to a phenomenon called boilover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilover). Firefighters, journalists and bystanders never saw what was coming…

      These chavistas and their webs of lies and half-truths…

      • The claim made by Toro is that Amuay is the deadliest accident in Venezuelan history. That is patently false, regardless of whatever spin you want to put on it.

        “Este desastre es catalogado como la peor tragedia jamás vivida en Venezuela…”

        You can try to spin it all you want, but you’ll fall flat on your face every time.

        • I would hope that after the Tacoa accident we had learned. One of the reasons that made Tacoa so deadly was the number of people living near by. Why do we still allow this to happen?

          We should know now how to avoid these disasters and be prepared for them. Amuay just showed us that we aren’t, in spite having several explosions or accident in the last couple of years. Will we learn from this? Are this accidents going to be prevented in the future? PDVSA’s track record for the last 10 years says otherwise.

          It is the largest accident in the venezuelan oil industry nonetheless. A once very professionally run company.

          • In the documentary posted by J. Nagel yesterday (or the day before), they mentioned that Judibana was one of the original neighborhoods created during the construction of Amuay. If you haven’t seen the documentary, you should. It’s a must.
            On the other hand, today I learned that some recent expansions of Amuay did indeed bring Amuay closer to some of the neighborhoods. I also heard about some proposals that include buying some of the houses nearby just for that reason. If I can find some credible sources for that, I’ll post them here later…

          • I agree that people should not be allowed to build houses close to sites that are potentially hazardous. Yet the housing districts around Amuay were not built under the Chavez government, but rather much before. So that must be blamed on the previous governments?

            As for PDVSA’s track record for the last 10 years, I have not seen any evidence that it is worse than before. PDVSA officials claim the opposite, that mortality rates have declined from before:


            So you’d have to actually give evidence for your claims, and not draw baseless conclusions simply because they fit your agenda.

          • Blame is to placed on those who allowed this to happen. Past and present.

            This is particularly important because it is the only way to prevent these incidents in the future.

            Past and present government allowed and allow people to live in potentially hazardous areas. We should perhaps try something different given that we have the chance to do so in october.

          • Yes, except that “something different” that you are referring to isn’ t different at all. You only think he’s different because you like to believe things for which you have no evidence, as you’ve made clear time and again. If you read the MUD policy platform, and Capriles economic plan which was recently revealed, it is more of the same policies of the past.

            Indeed, his policy platform has been designed by the same people who were behind CAP II’s shock therapy:


          • Blame is of no use in this instance, if there is no accountability (current or previous governments) and by all accounts there does not seem to be any accountability in PDVSA then blaming someone or some entity is of no value. In the case of the recent disaster in Amuay it is incredible that minister Ramirez is not being held accountable. He is where the buck should stop, the deep water horizon (BP) is a good example where good old boy Tony was removed mostly because he was the accountable person position. I suspect that if Amuay had of been a private company the current government would be calling for heads to roll, most likely there would have been folks behind bars already.

          • Umm what part of pressurized storage tanks moved next to army barracks, and barracks not moved dont you get genius?all this allowed to go on during the past 14 years during the single largest oil boom in the countries history. At the biggest refinery operated one of the largest oil companies in the world

          • What part of “give evidence for your claims” do you not get genius? Anyone can make baseless assertions.

    • This accident isn’t even the second deadliest accident. The Tragedia de la Tejerias, in 1993, killed 58 people.

      Damn Toro, too bad the reality just doesn’t fit your bullshit agenda.

      • This IS at least the second deadliest accident. The Government is simply keeping the death count down so that it doesn’t exceed the 54 all-time Refinery Death Record of India. In one work detail alone, 20 workers were vaporized so that few if any remains were found. The Govt. is only counting corpses, and certainly isn’t counting the living corpses that are still in hospitals so horribly burned that their chance of survival is virtually nil. The lucky were killed instantly. The horribly-burned face incredible suffering before dying. And we have to listen to the unapologetic B.S. of GAC and his Masters as to why those really responsible for this had nothing to do with it! Se Cansa Uno!!!

        • Justin Delacour? You sure? Name from the past. He’s political science professor at UNM his alma matter. Suspect he’s moved beyond VE.

          • Doubt it, these characters carry their ‘commitments’ from grad school well into their careers. I remember Weisbrot when he was an econ grad student defending the Sandinistas and FMLN much like he does Chavez 20 years later.

  2. More nonsense:

    “But within another 24 hours he had dramatically narrowed the scope of the inquiry: he was excoriating journalists who reported that locals had smelled a gas leak near Amuay hours before the accident.”

    This is false. Chavez criticized those who were claiming there had been a gas leak since 3 days prior, not hours before, as even your own link confirms.

    “In Venezuela, where die-hard Chavistas control every nook and cranny of the state apparatus…”

    False again. I personally know a lot of people in PDVSA who are not Chavistas, as does anyone who has any contact with the personnel of PDVSA.

    “and judges who fail to toe the line risk jail time, ”

    You are referring to ONE judge, not “judges”, and the specific case of this judge is that she allowed someone accused of a crime to escape out the back door of the court house and flee the country. Hardly because she refused to “toe the line”, unless you think judges should be allowed to aid accused criminals to flee justice.

    “Which is a shame, because in the nine years since PDVSA has been under exclusive Chavista control, the company has accumulated a grisly record on industrial safety”

    You make this claim, yet you don’t provide any evidence to show that it is any worse than previous governments.

    “were unceremoniously fired during a 2003 strike”

    More distortion. They were fired after attempting to bring the national economy to a halt in an illegal effort to overthrow the government. If a similar attempt occurred anywhere else they would not only be fired, they’d be tried for treason for calling for the overthrow of the government.

    • Kudos, GAC. All chavista spin doctors must be very proud of your work here. I wonder where your zeal comes from: is it mostly the benefits you’re reaping from the state like the other boliburgeois or is it just sheer ideological blindness?

      • Let’s just say I don’t like to let people get away with blatant lies and distortions. It definitely takes ideological blindness to think there is a problem with that.

        • The funny thing about discussion like this one, is that in the end is not about finding out the truth, but about being right. So, I’m not gonna keep on going, nit-picking your argument and whatnot, trying to defeat you. That’s for guys who want to be the king of internet.
          On an intelectual level though, it saddens me that a smart guy like you is satisfied by some half-cooked banana-republic ideology and gives up looking for the Truth. But hey, if that’s all you need to scratch that itch, be my guest! 😉

          • Your not going to nit-pick what I’ve said because I’ve not said anything that’s false. That’s the difference between me and Toro.

          • The strikers were traitors of the patria! Treason! Throw them in jail! Throw Toro in jail too! No-evidence-producing oligarchs! Hilarious! Outrageous! Toro! Falsehoods!

          • Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as “…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].” In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavour.


          • Oran’s Dictionary of Law???? What the?

            I’m in Canada man, what are you talking about? Anyway, I look forward to the day when we will be defending strikers on charges of treason. I am sure it will not be far off. Outrageous! Hilarious! Despicable! Evidence! Off with their heads!…

    • Well if a guy named ‘Get a Clue’ dispels all of Toro’s assertions that’s good enough for me. I’m so glad we have people like GAC to keep us all from being misinformed.

      • I find it hilarious that none of you can refute what I’ve said, or even attempt to support the blatant distortions in Toro’s article, so instead you make stupid comments like this one.

        • Come on Get a clue, if you are so smart, go read the document in the next post (222 ways…) and let us know, what do you think, it is possible that this tragedy occurred because of lack of maintenance and/or safety culture? or do you think it is sabotage, as your Great Leader thinks?

    • I feel I have to comment just one thing: GAC dixit “You make this claim, yet you don’t provide any evidence to show that it is any worse than previous governments”.

      I have to yell: THIS IS THE TYPICAL DEFENSE OF ANY INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT! (no only the reds, but whites, and greens)

      I couldn’t care less about previous governments, a quick google search into Fatal Occupation Injuries in the whole united states for 2010 shows mere 195 cases due to fires and explosions! This is in a population 10 times ours and much more “industrialized”. Source: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_revised10.pdf

      Can we at least strive for similar incidence (if you even know what that means), and stop pointing fingers like 5 year olds!

      • All I did is ask for evidence to support a claim made by Toro. I suppose you think people should be able to make whatever claim they want, without anyone asking for evidence to support it?

        Indeed, apparently you think it is outrageous for someone to request an author to back up a claim they’ve made. How outrageous!

    • “You are referring to ONE judge, not “judges”, and the specific case of this judge is that she allowed someone accused of a crime to escape out the back door of the court house and flee the country. Hardly because she refused to “toe the line”, unless you think judges should be allowed to aid accused criminals to flee justice.”

      You know, normally, I would just let people mouth off, but you’re crossing a big line here. Judge Afiuni has been held, with no trial, for more than three years. Her only crime was setting free a person that had also been held without trial. Basically, she is in prison for doing her job. There has been no evidence presented that she benefitted from her decision, nor any other proof that she was somehow in cahoots with Cedeño. She had no power to control which door Cedeño got out from, nor did she have power to control whether or not he left the country. Her case is so outrageous, even frikkin’-Noam Chomsky has called for her release, as have numerous international human rights organizations.

      She is, plain and simple, a *political prisoner*, and your claims to the contrary are a disgrace. Truly disgraceful.

        • As expected, Toro is too much of a coward to respond to all the distortions that were revealed in his hack-job article.

      • First, a political prisoner is someone who is put in jail because they have criticized the government of their country. This isn’t even close to what happened here. Afiuni was put in jail (she’s not even in jail anymore) because she arbitrarily released a suspected criminal without following the normal procedures, and without even filling out the normal paperwork. So you cannot reasonable make the claim she is a political prisoner. What criticism did she make that caused her imprisonment?

        Secondly, as much as you want to make Cedeño appear as a victim in the case because he was being held with no trial, the reality of the situation is that the fiscalia in Venezuela is notorious for its slowness and inefficiency. This doesn’t mean that judges can go around arbitrarily releasing criminals whose trials have been delayed.

        What is truly disgraceful is that you choose wealthy, corrupt bankers as your victims, and you justify their flight from justice. Perhaps even more disgraceful is that you use tragedies like the recent explosion as a way to further your political agenda. In my opinion, there is nothing more disgraceful than that.

        • I can think of a more disgraceful way of milking the tragedy, perhaps using a cadena to desperately hide you own incompetence. A political prisoner is not someone who is jailed for “criticizing” the government, its someone who is jailed under bogus charges for political reasons, in this case not following orders that Cedeño was not to be released under any circumstances, its when the state abuses its monopoly of force to imprison someone.
          About the persons who you know in PDVSA, I also know some non chavistas in there who live in fear about their bosses finding out they are, obliged to go government demonstrations ans those who are openly from the opposition are humiliated and mistreated until they renounce or fired (if you want evidence, give me some about your happy opposition friends from PDVSA) This is not even a discussion, Rafael Ramirez has said himself that there is no place in PDVSA for non chavistas http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/politica/ramirez-dice-que–la-pdvsa-roja-rojita–esta-con-c.aspx, ,

        • You’ve crossed a line here. This is really low. I’m just going to answer this so that people who are not familiarized can learn some.

          Eligio Cedeno had been in jail for 3 years when the maximum allowed time is 2. There was NOTHING irregular about his release ON A BAIL. And Afiuni is not being judged for doing it illegally. She’s arrested for either taking or being offered a bribe.

          • Wrong, wrong, wrong.

            Cedeño was released without the presence of the Ministerio Publico, which is illegal, without a boleta de excarcelacion and the rest of the required documentation, and without the approval of the Sala de la Corte de Apelaciones. Not only is this all illegal, but it is highly suspicious given that everyone knew that Cedeño would flee if released. Regardless of whether Afiuni received a bribe to release Cedeño, she facilitated his escape with irregular procedures that did not follow the law.

            And according to the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English, a political prisoner is ‘someone who is in prison because they have opposed or criticized the government of their own country’. There is no evidence that this is why Afiuni was imprisoned. She was detained immediately after having arbitrarily released Cedeño.

            For those of you who feel so so sorry for the corrupt banker who stole millions of dollars from the Venezuelan people, and who seek to justify his release, well, its disgraceful.

          • You’ve crossed another line here too: What the heck is Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English? Are you mad?

          • The first two lines of a Wikipedia article quoting a dictionary are not the international legal binding definition of what constitutes a political prisoner, nor a dictionary provides the definitions of what treason is under Venezuelan law is. There is no international definition of what a political prisoner is, is a very broad term, its referred to people who is imprisoned by a government under bogus charges for political reasons (understood in way, impr isoned formally for breaking the law, but really as a way of abusing the state). Even if he allegedly was a criminal, if the state was not able because of its own epic inefficiency to prove the crime, then yes he should be released, thats what due process is all about, it assures that no innocent person goes to jail, not that guilty persons don’t walk out.

          • “There is no international definition of what a political prisoner is, is a very broad term, its referred to people who is imprisoned by a government under bogus charges for political reasons ”

            But there is no evidence that Afiuni was imprisoned for political reasons. She was imprisoned for the illegal release of an accused criminal. Plain and simple.

          • Chavez publicly said that she should be executed right after that she was arrested, but no pressure right? he is using the political control he has over the Prosecutor’s office and tribunals to keep her in jail, she is a political prisoner. About the irregularities you mentioned, I have practiced law in Venezuela and in the criminal system much worst things happened than a two days differed hearing (this started before Chavez, but nothing has changed in 14 years, before it was la tribu de David, now is the enanos) and very few Judges have been removed, the fact that the government is so selective in punishing allegedly crooked judges who rule in favor of the opposition, make their prosecution political, otherwise they would prosecute all crooked judges even the one who are crooked in cases that did not piss off Chavez and his daughter. Her prosecution is not fundamented in the fact that she violated the law, its because she didn’t follow orders. Come on, even Noam Chonsky came around this.

          • Sorry, but your hack-job article from UCAB leaves out some important details, such as:

            La Audiencia preliminar, se encontraba fijada para el ocho de diciembre de 2009, dicho acto fue debidamente notificado a todas las partes, compareciendo el Ministerio Público quien solicitó el diferimiento de esta audiencia tomando en consideración que los tres fiscales del Ministerio Público, que estaban actuando en la causa seguida al ciudadano Eligio Cedeño, son los mismos fiscales comisionados por el Despacho de la Fiscal General de la República por delegación para la intervención de varios Bancos, por tal motivo se solicitó el diferimiento de esa audiencia. Sorprendió al Ministerio Público que la Juez, difirió la nueva audiencia para el día diez de diciembre, dos días después.

            La Jueza Afiuni y los mismos Alguaciles del tribunal sabían que el Ministerio Publico no podía estar presentes, porque se encontraban realizando otras funciones. Además, la Jueza Afiuni sabe que existe una prohibición de una ley adjetiva penal, que no permite aperturar una audiencia sin que estén presentes todas las partes, lo cual vicia de nulidad la audiencia como lo establece el Código de Procedimiento Penal publicado en la Gaceta Oficial de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, No 5.930 de fecha 4 de septiembre de 2009.

            En esa audiencia del día 10 de diciembre de 2009, donde se le otorgó una Medida Cautelar Sustitutiva de Libertad al ciudadano Eligio Cedeño, solo se encontraban presentes la Jueza, la Secretaria del tribunal, el imputado y sus abogados defensores con la ausencia de la representación del Ministerio Público que es el titular de la acción penal.

            “Señaló la fiscal que existe otro conjunto de irregularidades, como que ‘no hay boleta de excarcelación, que es el instrumento jurídico para dar la libertad; es más, el auto por el cual se acuerda la libertad ni siquiera estaba elaborado, y sólo lo habían firmado los abogados defensores, pero el indiciado no lo había firmado. Todo es una serie de irregularidades, se ve que se trabajó con mucha prisa’, señaló. ”

            “Trascendió que Afiuni regresaba al tribunal luego de un permiso de cinco días, realizó la audiencia sin los fiscales en una sala para este fin que está ubicada próximas a las escaleras y ascensores de las escaleras laterales del Palacio. Eligio Cedeño salió escoltado con un alguacil. Los efectivos de la Disip estaban en la entrada del tribunal y cuando preguntaron a la juez por Cedeño, ella dijo ‘está libre’, pero nunca les mostró la boleta de excarcelación. Durante ese tiempo el banquero adquirió los servicios de un mototaxi, que lo trasladó a un aeropuerto privado donde huyó en una avioneta privada la cual le prestaron, desconociéndose ahora su actual paradero. “

          • Yeah, one of the most reputably academic institutions in Venezuela is a hack job. Too bad that you didn’t like that reference.

            Do you ever wonder why those guys from el Ministerio Publico kept missing the audience?

            I am sure your wikipedia links or AVN are way more reliable and trustworthy.

          • It doesn’t matter where the source is from. What matters if it includes all relevant details. Your article from UCAB obviously doesn’t. In fact it leaves out the very reason why the judge was arrested in the first place. That’s quite an omisson!!

          • GAC, Can we all get along? Do you know why Cedeno really in jail? It’s funny. His partner made sex tape of his girlfriend, el Presidente’s daughter (then spoke about it). Another judge on the case was unsuccessfully bribed (then setup on unrelated case: judge investigated by FBI during US visit. False tip to FBI provided by Patricia Poleo in her column. Judge cleared by FBI of taking illicit monies. Judge independently wealthy and now resides in US.

          • Save your selective indignation. “corrupt banker(s)” who steal ” millions of dollars from the Venezuelan people” who are friends with the regime seem to be judged by a different standard.


            A banker who pretty blatantly broke several banking laws happens to easily evade judicial orders, leave the country, and even have millions of dollars of money of their money unfrozen by Venezuelan authorities.

        • Secondly, as much as you want to make Cedeño appear as a victim in the case because he was being held with no trial, the reality of the situation is that the fiscalia in Venezuela is notorious for its slowness and inefficiency. This doesn’t mean that judges can go around arbitrarily releasing criminals whose trials have been delayed.”

          LOL, if this judge were in jail in Colombia you probably be bitching and moaning about what a blatant violation of due process rights this was. Would enjoy hearing you defending a judge holding a prisoner who hasn’t been charged in the United States where you are probably from.
          First of all, in Civil Code jurisdictions, Judges are directly involved in many steps of the process (like investigation) acting more like prosecutors than mere finders of fact.

          Now listen to yourself again:
          “judges can’t go around arbitrarily releasing criminals whose trials have been denied”

          LMAO…..Ever hear, of the “right to a speedy trial” in the United States?

          Judges will release a prisoner who hasn’t been charged after a very short period of time (hours,days) And if a prisoner has been charged and jailed, they have a right to go to trial within a specific number of days/weeks depending on statute (i;e. 70 days) or be released. Any delay caused by the prosecutor – including extensions- are charged to the State.
          Civil Law Jurisdictions (including Venezuela) recognize this general due process principal and have it codified. And it is enshrined in international public criminal procedure law like that followed by the International Criminal Court
          Here the delays were all on the State. The Defendant had a right to raise a motion and have it granted ex-parte. Prosecutors that don’t show up to Court have cases tossed everywhere

    • ” I personally know a lot of people in PDVSA who are not Chavistas, as does anyone who has any contact with the personnel of PDVSA. ”

      What the heck are you doing wasting time posting here?!? Anda y reporta a esa gente chico! Por eso es que tenemos a saboteadores infiltrados.

  3. I don’t know why I remember it being: “A los amigos el culo, a los enemigos la ley” and for some weird reason I also have it as this version being attributed to Gomez. In any event. Its perfectly applicable with a spin.

  4. @Get A Clue – Have you ever been inside these refineries? I have and I can tell you that PDVSA has been ignoring maintenance for years. The overall condition of these refining complexes are very poor at best. Safety has long been ignored. It is a combination of ignoring maintenance and safety that lead to these terrible deaths. What about all the workers that died before this accident? Nobody talks about them. It’s a shame that this government put itself above the lives of the workers. The last time I was there was 2008, serious problems existed then, so serious that I never went back for fear for my safety. Ramirez and Chavez are responsible for this tragic accident.

    • So basically your argument is this:

      “I know what happened because I’ve been to that refinery before.”

      Well, case closed. Why even do an investigation then?

      • Well the gov’t must be even better than Bois Brule at remotely determining blame seeing as they KNOW the explosion wasn’t maintenance related. Why even investigate? It was obviously an act of god.

  5. Very good run down Quico. I can only imagine if this had happened in Polar or some other private company. I am sure the government would have had their CEOs in jail within hours and the control of the company taken away.

    More than that, the government has shown a very irresponsible handling of the facts. Hiding facts in terms of people missing or the death toll or when the fires where actually controlled. There are some very important questions yet to be answered, like why was there a National Guard regiment, why did the accident occurred in a storage facility? (vs a processing facility) and why is Ramirez still in charge of the company? he clearly has not made a PDVSA a safe place for its workers and neighbors. There are many more facilities like the CRP in Venezuela. Which ones are at risk? Are we taking measures to keep people from inhabiting areas near these facilities? If the maintenance was done (which according to audits it wasn’t) why did the accident occurred? What happened to the alarm mechanisms that tell operators that something is happening?

  6. Toro’s article is spot-on: If you give your actions a veneer of legality, you can get away with damn near anything. It always amazes me how some people abroad can point to a Venezuelan government investigation and say that they’re doing all they can to solve the problem. “But the president said there would be an investigation. They’re clearly investigating.” Yeah, and I say I poop rainbow-colored turds but that hardly makes it so. These investigations have pre-determined findings and there are some findings that are clearly not acceptable. Poor maintenance did NOT cause the explosion, end of story, according to the govt. The nuttier outlets such as Aporrea were screaming about terrorist attacks within hours of the explosion. And Chavez’s not-so-veiled threat towards journalists is so Putinesque it hurts. You have the freedom (on paper) to say whatever you want in Venezuela but lord help you if you actually go ahead and take advantage of that freedom.

    • Amen, brother. That incident yesterday with the young, female Colombian reporter irritated me in a million different ways. What an idiot!Chavez is an embarassment.
      I know this is his everyday behavior -but I always am shocked about the lowly,insulting
      trashiness of Chavez..

      • I saw that too, I feel repulsed and ashamed. Ese tono socarrón, I hate that like the pest.
        And he disqualified “his people” too. No, what they said is all a lie, because that can’t happen. He not only disqualifies people, he take a something like granted, without thinking about it. At the best he is an idiot, but I think he is a power-sick liar.
        I don’t get it, how people like our clueless don’t see that… or maybe they like that, I have to vomit…

  7. You all are a bunch of whiners. Let’s fix the controversial sentence by adding the word OIL:

    “Venezuelans are reeling this week from the deadliest accident in our nation’s oil industrial history.”

    Now the sentence is undisputedly true and does not come into conflict with any other disaster of other fields that’s happened in Venezuela.

    Short, sweet and simple. ‘Bye

  8. Get a glue aka Wikipedia aka the blind,

    For me there is no need to hide my name behind a funny nickname! Thus you can Google.

    To copy and paste information like this: According to the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English, a political prisoner is ‘someone who is in prison because they have opposed or criticized the government of their own country’.
    directly from Wikipedia (we all know that Wikipedia is not the most reliable source) don’t impress me that much while also that what you write shows that you are one of the many blinds. 

    It is not important if all details in this blog are correct ( is all information on your rojo rojita blogs correct?) and especially in this particular case. For the victims in this tragedy it is not relevant if this was the largest, second largest or even smallest disaster in the petrochemical industry world wide, Venezuela or where ever. What is important is how this could happen and how this can be avoided. There is no discussion necessary regarding maintenance, it is clear ( yes I know refineries very well including the mentioned one) that the PDVSA is not longer the well reputed, professional company with professional, well trained, well educated, skilled employees and a incredible knowledge and know how as before 2003. It is also clear that since the PDVSA is the milk cow of your beloved president to finance him, his gang and friends (national and international) and all his projects and interests that much less is available for the PDVSA ( training, equipment, maintenance, etc.). A refinery and all related business is high tech and needs well educated and trained employees. Arguing this and that what is done, actually not done, in the last 14 years only show that you don’t know what a refinery is.

    More distortion. They were fired after attempting to bring the national economy to a halt in an illegal effort to overthrow the government. If a similar attempt occurred anywhere else they would not only be fired, they’d be tried for treason for calling for the overthrow of the government.

    I don’t want to start to react on you discussion since it will bring nothing and thus a waste of my time but can you, or Wikipedia maybe, give me an example in which country more than 20,000 professionals were fired or even tried for treason because of a protest against the government? Iran, Russia, Syria, Cuba? State company employees protesting against the government took place in many countries but getting fired or, worse, tried for treason? So you accuse somebody to make things up without proof while you have several claims and even an accusation ( overthrow of the government by 20,000 PDVSA employees) without any independent and confirmed proof? That is proof according which law book on Wikipedia? 

    The problems in Venezuela are too complex and yes the present situation is a consequence of the past. However, the past is gone and it is time for a new era without the load of the last 50 years. Venezuela needs most of all a mentality change and when that change is made it will be a good country for all Venezuelans and not a selected group. 

    Have a nice day!


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